khn Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 We've been capping HCE's at 8% to avoid testing failures and refunds. A participant has been deferring 5% all year but now wants to maximize her contribution for the rest of the year. We have quarterly changes so she can increase her deferral to 8% on 10/1, and is over 50 so will also elect catch up contributions as well. My question is how can we help her have the maximum withholding possible? Is there a way to set up her catch up contribution to take advantage of the full $6,000 between now and year end? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Lou S. Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 What about doing 8% + $6,000/number of remaining payrolls? ETA Consulting LLC 1
ETA Consulting LLC Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 What about doing 8% + $6,000/number of remaining payrolls? It really is just that simple. You can say, if you're catchup eligible, then you may defer above 8%. Any amount will be catchup (up to the 6,000 limit); then back below 8% you go. To add a little perspective, many many years ago the the notion of a plan limit or regulatory limit meant that the plan actually had to include a hard-written limit (i.e. 8%). The IRS has since relented and stated that a administrative limit such as this (limiting HCEs administratively in order to pass HCE) will also be considered a plan limit. So, there you have it. You're using the administrative discretion of limiting HCEs at 8% in order to help pass the ADP test. If your catchup eligible, you merely allow them to defer ANY amount over 8% until the resulting catchup reaches their $6,000 limit. Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
BG5150 Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 Given the fact that ADP excesses are taxable in the year of distribution now, rather than in the olden days where they might be taxable in the previous year, I don't see why anyone gets uppity about failed ADP tests. To me, with a failed test, you are guaranteeing the economic engines of your firm are putting away, to the penny, the maximum allowed given what the staff is contributing. K2retire and 401_noob 2 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
khn Posted September 8, 2016 Author Posted September 8, 2016 Thanks for all your insight. It almost seems too simple (which doesn't seem to happen a lot)!
ETA Consulting LLC Posted September 9, 2016 Posted September 9, 2016 To me, with a failed test, you are guaranteeing the economic engines of your firm are putting away, to the penny, the maximum allowed given what the staff is contributing. Not in all instances. A high percentage may cause a failure. When you consider that the actual distributions begin with the individuals who deferred the most dollars; it may make sense to keep the percentages lowered in "some" instances. But, you do make a good point. Good Luck K2retire and QDROphile 2 CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
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