cpc0506 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 First RMD was due for a participant by April 1, 2017. The RMD was not processed timely. Participant did not receive the RMD until just last week. Would you report this 'failure to provide a benefit when due on the 2016 Form 5500-SF line 10f or the 2017 Form 5500-SF line 10f?
ETA Consulting LLC Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 No. You never restricted the participant from requesting a receiving a distribution. Had the participant actually requested a distribution back in 2016, they would've been paid. You merely failed to provided the RMD by the deadline, but that appears to be more of a IRS compliance issue. Failing to provide a benefit when due appears to be more of an employee rights issue (under the DOL's purview). Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
Belgarath Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 The instructions on the SF appear to be different than for the 5500 See the following from the instructions for the Schedule I: Line 4l. You must check “Yes” if any benefits due under the plan were not timely paid or not paid in full. This would include required minimum distributions to 5% owners who have attained 70½ whether or not retired and/or non-5% owners who have attained 70½ and have retired or separated from service, see section 401(a)(9) of the Code. Include in this amount the total of any outstanding amounts that were not paid e continued to remain unpaid. Pardon the incomplete copy/past above - it didn't completely work, but there's enough to get the gist.
cpc0506 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Posted September 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Belgarath said: The instructions on the SF appear to be different than for the 5500 See the following from the instructions for the Schedule I: Line 4l. You must check “Yes” if any benefits due under the plan were not timely paid or not paid in full. This would include required minimum distributions to 5% owners who have attained 70½ whether or not retired and/or non-5% owners who have attained 70½ and have retired or separated from service, see section 401(a)(9) of the Code. Include in this amount the total of any outstanding amounts that were not paid e continued to remain unpaid. Pardon the incomplete copy/past above - it didn't completely work, but there's enough to get the gist. I agree that the late RMD should be reported. That is how we have always handled this. My question still remains: would you report on the 2016 Form 5500 or 2017 Form 5500? The first RMD due by 4/1/17 was the 2016 RMD.
RatherBeGolfing Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You report it on the 2017 Form 5500 because it was due in 2017 even though the first distribution year was 2016. As of 12/31/2016, you had not yet failed to timely pay the benefit.
Belgarath Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 But it wasn't "due" until 4/1/2017. So you report it on the 2017 form, if you are going to report it at all.
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