perkinsran Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 We have a 403b plan that provides a 7% match but only to employees who contribute at least 5%. Is the plan tested under the ACP test or the Nondiscrimination test under 401(a)(4)? I assume the ACP since it is conditioned on the employee contributing.
Madison71 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 What is the match formula? Is it 140% on the first 5%? What if you defer 4%...how much do you get. Match is subject to the ACP Test
perkinsran Posted February 15, 2018 Author Posted February 15, 2018 There is no "Matching"formula. The document says if you contribute at least 5%, we will give you a 7% contribution. So if you do 4%, you get nothing. If you do 10% you get 7%. So you either get 7% or 0%.
CuseFan Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 it's contingent on a salary deferral, still think it's a match. i think the only way it's not a match is if the 5% deferral is mandatory (possibly as a condition of employment) - you have to do 5% to be in the plan, can't do anything less. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Z0ra Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Maybe you can think of the match as a tiered match as follows: Deferrals between 0-5% get 0% match Deferrals 5% and above get 7% match Then you would test the match in the ACP test, and in addition you would need Benefits Rights and Features test to deal with tiers of the match.
Luke Bailey Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Agree with the above. See Treas. reg. 1.401(m)-1(a)(1)(ii) (for the BRF issue) and (a)(2) (for the "are these matching contributions" issue). Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
perkinsran Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 Thanks so much. That is what I thought. The fail the ACP test but we could pass the 401(a)(4) test. The prior bundled vendor did not do anything. We just picked this plan up. It is a fairly large plan and they are going to be surprised when I tell them we are going to have some refunds to deal with in the next four weeks.
BG5150 Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Who's going to look at past years? Get your VCP pencils sharpened. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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