VeryOldMan Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 We set up a traditional DB plan--not cash balance-- for a restaurant with 50 employees. We excluded bartenders and service people while covering the chefs, kitchen and dish washers and the vice-presiident of the business. Though the plan satisfies 70% coverage RPT and initially met the 40% participation rule, this year the minimum participant count is too low--39.2%. I am unclear how to fix this at minimum cost to client. Can I just cover 1-2 members of one of the excluded groups. Has anyone had this sort of problem and how was it fixed. Appreciate any thoughts on the subject.
Bri Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 -11g amendment up to 9.5 months after the end of the year.....lets you increase benefits to employees (including those not currently eligible) on a non-discriminatory manner. So pick an NHCE you like (who's also not terminated already with no vesting in such a new benefit), and bring 'em in.....
Cloudy Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 You could try doing the a26 test using average comp for the annual accrual method, or using the accrued-to-date method, you might get a better result. Mike Preston 1
C. B. Zeller Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 Does the plan document address this at all (e.g., a fail-safe provision)? ugueth 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
VeryOldMan Posted August 28, 2019 Author Posted August 28, 2019 No the doc doesn't cover it. 23 hours ago, Bri said: -11g amendment up to 9.5 months after the end of the year.....lets you increase benefits to employees (including those not currently eligible) on a non-discriminatory manner. So pick an NHCE you like (who's also not terminated already with no vesting in such a new benefit), and bring 'em in..... Is it really that simple? Is there a reg or a direct code reference on this? Sorry I don't usually have these types of issues. My problem is the plan doc doesn't have the failsafe language that C.B. Zeller referenced, so would have to draft language to do it. We use FIS and I tried checking with them but got nowhere.
C. B. Zeller Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 1.401(a)(26)-7(c) and 1.401(a)(4)-11(g) ugueth 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Bill Presson Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 2:27 PM, VeryOldMan said: No the doc doesn't cover it. Is it really that simple? Is there a reg or a direct code reference on this? Sorry I don't usually have these types of issues. My problem is the plan doc doesn't have the failsafe language that C.B. Zeller referenced, so would have to draft language to do it. We use FIS and I tried checking with them but got nowhere. A little surprised that FIS couldn't provide you with a sample -11(g) amendment. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
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