Mr Bagwell Posted May 3, 2021 Posted May 3, 2021 Plan is designed as safe harbor 3% non-elective to NHCEs only. Appears that employer would like to add the HCEs now with a Mid-Year change. I'm pretty confident this is doable. But, because of the timing of the change, I think this requires a 4% safe harbor non-elective to both the NHCE and HCE? Am I correct? Thanks
Bird Posted May 3, 2021 Posted May 3, 2021 Well, it's not prohibited by Notice 2016-16; nobody is having anything taken away, and I don't see anything that says you'd have to increase the SH to 4%. I'd tentatively say it's ok. Ed Snyder
Mr Bagwell Posted May 3, 2021 Author Posted May 3, 2021 Thanks for the thoughts Bird. Notice 2020-86 is the piece that talks about having to go 4% if done after the beginning of the year. So if the plan had no safe harbor design at 1/1/2021 and wanted to be safe harbor non-elective for 2021 at 5/1/2021. No problem, amend the plan, give the 4%, done. But I have a 3% NHCE only safe harbor plan at 1/1/2021 and wasn't sure the right answer. Maybe the answer is in the question of "what is a safe harbor contribution"? A Safe harbor contribution is a nonelective contribution of at least 3% of compensation to all NHCEs eligible to defer. So giving the HCEs a 3% contribution that is a 100% vested is fine, No testing needed because everyone got the 3%? ???
C. B. Zeller Posted May 3, 2021 Posted May 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mr Bagwell said: But I have a 3% NHCE only safe harbor plan at 1/1/2021 and wasn't sure the right answer. Maybe the answer is in the question of "what is a safe harbor contribution"? A Safe harbor contribution is a nonelective contribution of at least 3% of compensation to all NHCEs eligible to defer. So giving the HCEs a 3% contribution that is a 100% vested is fine, No testing needed because everyone got the 3%? This is correct. You do not need to make any changes to the safe harbor. Just give a 3% PS contribution to the HCEs. Assuming, of course, that the plan's PS formula allows you to do so. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Mr Bagwell Posted May 3, 2021 Author Posted May 3, 2021 CB, The plan does allow the profit sharing. Thanks
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