lcollins300 Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 We have a plan that had 121 participants in 2018 so we had to file as a large plan with audit. In 2019 the participant count fell to 113 (but we found out this year that number was overstated due to employees really terminating on 12/31/2019 that weren't reported as such on the 2019 census). These same employees did not have account balances so if we were to amend the plan's 2019 5500 filing the participant count would be less than 100. As of PYB 2020 the participant count stands at 80. Not sure I'm understanding the 80/120 rule. Do we have to continue to file 5500 with large plan audit for 2020 or can we go back to filing the 5500-SF? This plan also terminated 12/15/2020 and paid out all assets by 12/31 so we really don't want them to have to do another plan audit if not needed. Thank you anyone for clarifying.
C. B. Zeller Posted May 6, 2021 Posted May 6, 2021 The 80-120 rule is always optional. Once you are below 100 participants, you can file on SF even if you filed the full 5500 the previous year. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
BG5150 Posted May 6, 2021 Posted May 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said: The 80-120 rule is always optional. Nope. If participants are under 80, you MUST file as a small plan. Luke Bailey 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
BG5150 Posted May 6, 2021 Posted May 6, 2021 You may run into a problem though, if your opening participant balance at BOY 2020 is less than EOY 2019. That number cannot go down, only up (new participants entering 1/1). Might have to amend the 2019 filing with the correct participant count. You can leave the audit. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
C. B. Zeller Posted May 6, 2021 Posted May 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, BG5150 said: Nope. If participants are under 80, you MUST file as a small plan. If participants are under 80 then the 80-120 rule doesn't apply. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
lcollins300 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Posted May 6, 2021 Thank you all! May have to amend the 2019 to fix end of year count.
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