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I have a quick question and just want to make sure I'm not overlooking anything:

Company 1
Person 1 - 100% ownership
Person 2 - 0% ownership (though they work for the company)

Company 2
Person 1 - 75% ownership
Person 2 - 25% ownership

The two people are not related.  Since Person 1 owns less than 80% of company 2, there isn't a Controlled Group issue (even though Person 2 works for both, they only have ownership in one).

Thanks in advance!

Posted

There is a 415(h) controlled group.

EDIT: see below

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Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

Posted
8 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said:

There is a 415(h) controlled group.

My understanding is that 415(h) applies only to parent-sub groups by reference to 1563(a)(1) (leaving out (a)(2), which covers brother-sister groups). Under 1563, I also don't think person 1's 75% ownership interest of company 2 will be attributed to company 1, so I don't think you have a 415(h) parent-sub group either. 

Posted
2 hours ago, EBECatty said:

My understanding is that 415(h) applies only to parent-sub groups by reference to 1563(a)(1) (leaving out (a)(2), which covers brother-sister groups). Under 1563, I also don't think person 1's 75% ownership interest of company 2 will be attributed to company 1, so I don't think you have a 415(h) parent-sub group either. 

Upon second thought, I agree. In which case, I revise my prior comment to say that there may be a 415(h) controlled group. metsfan026 didn't specify what type of entities the companies are. If both companies are corporations then there is not a 415(h) controlled group. If Company 1  is a sole proprietorship, then the question becomes a little murkier as the sole proprietorship is equivalent to the individual for most purposes; is there any difference in saying that the individual owns 75% of company 2 vs the sole proprietorship owns 75% of company 2?

Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance.

Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

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