Jim Chad Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 A 401(k) is TH and has SHMAC and prevailing wage. No discretionary match or discretionary non-elective. Is 3% TH required?
CuseFan Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 I think PW, as a 401(a) amount, is treated like a discretionary PS and negates any SH TH exemption. This seems a very odd TH situation, do you have a lot of Key EEs and/or they are getting sizeable PW? Providing TH likely means contributing only for non-Key, non-PW who are not contributing (enough) then, right? Lou S., Bill Presson, Bri and 1 other 4 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Lou S. Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 The Prevailing Wage contribution will removed your "deemed not Top-Heavy" exemption. Bri and CuseFan 2
Bri Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 I had a client like this - Had a top heavy 401(k) plan with a safe harbor match. (Imagine HCE owner and spouse, then 50 employees doing no 401k for themselves.) Then had a huge influx of Davis-Bacon jobs so that they wanted to allocate those amounts as plan contributions. I suggested those go to a separate plan with no HCEs in it. 401(k) with SHM kept its TH exemption while some of the 50 employees had prevailing wage plan contributions of varying levels. No other nonelective contributions to either plan.
Jim Chad Posted September 8, 2022 Author Posted September 8, 2022 The two plans will have the exact same ownership. Do we need to combine the plans for testing for Top Heavy?
Lou S. Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 That would depend on whether or not there are any key employees covered by the second plan.
401kology Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/7/2022 at 1:07 PM, CuseFan said: I think PW, as a 401(a) amount, is treated like a discretionary PS and negates any SH TH exemption. This seems a very odd TH situation, do you have a lot of Key EEs and/or they are getting sizeable PW? Providing TH likely means contributing only for non-Key, non-PW who are not contributing (enough) then, right? Agreed. The PW is treated as a discretionary PS contribution under 401(a) and if the plan is top heavy would require the THM (although the SHM and the PW contributions may both be used to offset the THM)
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