Draper55 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 profit sharing plan states that in the absence of a designated beneficiary, the spouse becomes the beneficiary and if no surviving spouse, then the children. Plan also states that an ex-spouse can take the spouse's place on death if so provided under a domestic relations order per. In this case, the marital settlement agreement stated that the participant was to name the former spouse as beneficiary under the plan. The participant has died; but there is no executed beneficiary designation form effecting what the marital settlement agreement called for. There is no spouse at death, only the ex-spouse and children. Does it matter that the deceased did not physically name the ex-spouse as beneficiary while alive or was the intent of the marital settlement agreement sufficient? Any insights are appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david rigby Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Is there a DRO that purports to be a QDRO? Luke Bailey 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseFan Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 If not, the ex-spouse should put the plan on notice and get one in the works asap. Luke Bailey 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Assuming an ERISA-governed plan, this seems an illustration of another situation in which the plan’s administrator is not responsible for the participant’s failure (but might, practically, be burdened by it). David Rigby and CuseFan suggest one recognize that, even after the divorce and after the participant’s death, a court might issue a domestic-relations order. See 29 C.F.R. § 2530.206(c)(2) https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-XXV/subchapter-D/part-2530/subpart-C/section-2530.206. In responding to claims (if any), a plan’s administrator should be punctilious in following ERISA § 503’s and the plan’s claims procedures. Luke Bailey and CuseFan 2 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseFan Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 22 hours ago, Peter Gulia said: punctilious That has to be the word of the day! Thanks Peter. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseFan Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 22 hours ago, Peter Gulia said: another situation in which the plan’s administrator is not responsible for the participant’s failure (but might, practically, be burdened by it) and this is a very true statement that happens far too often Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDROphile Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 As in, Punctilious Pilot? Captain Sully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmsinc Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 The Plan Administrator must pay the money in the account the children pursuant to its own rules saying that the money goes to the children. Kari E. Kennedy, Executrix v. Plan Administrator for Dupont Savings and Investment Plan, 129 S.Ct. 865, 555 U.S. 285 (2009). But read Andochick v. Byrd, 709 F.3d 296 (2013) dealing with post-distribution recovery by an intended beneficiary. However, under the Pension Protection Act of 2006 it is possible for the former spouse to return to the state court and seek a posthumous QDRO awarding the PSP proceed to her. But a promise in an Agreement to name your former spouse as the beneficiary in not the equivalent to a transfer of retirement benefits to the former spouse that is enforceable under ERISA by use of a QDRO, so I have my doubts that the QDRO is an appropriate remedy. A QDRO would effectively change the nature of the language of the Agreement. BUT the children were never the intended beneficiaries of the account at any time. The former spouse was the intended beneficiary and since she cannot sue the Plan, she would have to sue her children as unintended beneficiaries under Andochick. Perhaps she needs to sue her attorney for malpractice. A very thorough explanation of this entire issue is set forth at Hennig v. DIDYK, Tex: Court of Appeals, 5th Dist., No. 05-13-00656-CV, (2014) - https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/fifth-court-of-appeals/2014/05-13-00656-cv.html And the Plan Administrator should do nothing, or at the very most file an interpleader action and ask the court what to do with the money, and let the court figure it out. David bito'money, Luke Bailey and Riley Britton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDROphile Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Your first sentence and last sentence contradict. I would agree if you meant by the last sentence that the Plan Administrator should do nothing toward helping the former spouse understand or pursue whatever rights the former spouse has under the marital settlement agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roycal Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 "Perhaps she needs to sue her attorney for malpractice." Absolutely, if there is enough money involved to endure litigation or settlement negotiations with the attorney. This should never have happened (obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKowalski Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 The plan should be administered according to its terms (and it should include terms that comply with the QDRO and claims procedure rules). If the plan is administered in accordance with its terms and its compliant QDRO and claims procedure rules and that results in the benefit being paid out to the children, who are the lawful beneficiaries under the terms of the plan, then the plan should have no liability, because any state law to the contrary would be preempted by ERISA. That said, given that the plan is on notice of this situation, it may have obligations to delay distribution under its QDRO and claims procedures while certain additional issues are sorted out. If a QDRO is actually submitted to the plan, then the QDRO could dictate the disposition of the benefit. To be clear, a divorce decree is almost never a QDRO, and thus almost never has any direct impact on plan administration. The only thing the divorce decree does is put the plan administrator on notice that there might soon be a QDRO submitted to the plan. If it becomes clear that there will be no QDRO, then the divorce decree becomes meaningless from the plan's perspective. All you need to do to clear up this point is ask the ex-wife if she plans to submit a QDRO to the plan. After the benefit is distributed to the children, the ex-spouse will likely have a valid claim under state law against the children that is not preempted by ERISA (but not against the plan itself, assuming the plan complied with lawful QDRO and claims procedures). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Britton Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 4:38 PM, fmsinc said: The Plan Administrator must pay the money in the account the children pursuant to its own rules saying that the money goes to the children. Kari E. Kennedy, Executrix v. Plan Administrator for Dupont Savings and Investment Plan, 129 S.Ct. 865, 555 U.S. 285 (2009). But read Andochick v. Byrd, 709 F.3d 296 (2013) dealing with post-distribution recovery by an intended beneficiary. However, under the Pension Protection Act of 2006 it is possible for the former spouse to return to the state court and seek a posthumous QDRO awarding the PSP proceed to her. But a promise in an Agreement to name your former spouse as the beneficiary in not the equivalent to a transfer of retirement benefits to the former spouse that is enforceable under ERISA by use of a QDRO, so I have my doubts that the QDRO is an appropriate remedy. A QDRO would effectively change the nature of the language of the Agreement. BUT the children were never the intended beneficiaries of the account at any time. The former spouse was the intended beneficiary and since she cannot sue the Plan, she would have to sue her children as unintended beneficiaries under Andochick. Perhaps she needs to sue her attorney for malpractice. A very thorough explanation of this entire issue is set forth at Hennig v. DIDYK, Tex: Court of Appeals, 5th Dist., No. 05-13-00656-CV, (2014) - https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/fifth-court-of-appeals/2014/05-13-00656-cv.html And the Plan Administrator should do nothing, or at the very most file an interpleader action and ask the court what to do with the money, and let the court figure it out. David I knew the Kari Kennedy case would pop up here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Bailey Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 The plan should consider interpleading. If the plan pays the children, the ex-spouse should consider an action in state court to impose a constructive trust on the funds to enforce the agreement in the dissolution. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now