Jakyasar Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago I am not sure if the following is discriminatory, so checking out to be sure. Company started 2 plans in 2025, both with vesting starting with inception of the plans (both calendar). Joe terminated later 2025 (he quit) and gets no monies because terminated with 0% vesting in both plans. He was eligible as of 1/1/2025 (DOH goes back a few years) The company wants to rehire him in 2026 so no break in service but want to exclude him from benefitting under both plans. He would have a unique job category. So, if they sign an amendment now and then rehire him a few months later (all during 2026), is this a discriminatory approach? Another approach is to have the amendment signed in 2026 but rehire him in 2027 but that is not what they want to do. Thank you QKA, QKC, QPA, CBS - I used to be indecisive about pensions but now I am not so sure
C. B. Zeller Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago They can exclude him from both plans, by name or by job category, as long as it's not a service-based exclusion (including a disguised service-based exclusion). He would still be considered non-excludible so he would count against the coverage test (assuming he's a non-HCE). However - and read your documents carefully to be sure - his prior accrued benefits (if any) may well have to be restored. You said he got no money because he was 0% vested; this implies that he accrued a benefit in 2025 but received a "deemed zero-dollar cash-out" upon termination. Re-hired employees have a right to have their forfeitures restored by repaying the distributed amount, so just like he was deemed to have been distributed $0 he would also be deemed to have repaid $0, and would be entitled to a restoration of forfeited accrued benefits. If he is excluded from participation, he won't accrue any additional benefits, but he will continue to earn vesting service towards the benefits previously accrued. Bill Presson 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
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