Jean Posted April 10, 2001 Posted April 10, 2001 How is the top heavy test ratio calculated if an individual is a key employee in the plan year (2000), but was one not as of the determination date (12/31/1999)? I am not sure if the 12/31/99 balance is include in the key employee total balances. I know the individual would not receive the top heavy contribution.
Richard Anderson Posted April 10, 2001 Posted April 10, 2001 Once a person becomes a key employee their entire account balance is included in the top heavy test. You would not exclude the portion of the account balance that existed before becoming a key employee. Be sure to check the plan document. Many plans will specify that key employees also receive the top heavy contribution.
Guest Hans Moleman Posted April 10, 2001 Posted April 10, 2001 For your case, the employee was non-key as of the determination date. Therefore, when running the test his balance is not included in the key employees' balances.
Richard Anderson Posted April 10, 2001 Posted April 10, 2001 Jean, Are you now doing the 2001 top-heavy test, using 12/31/2000 account balances and key employees as of 12/31/2000? That is my understanding of your question.
Jean Posted April 11, 2001 Author Posted April 11, 2001 This is the 2000 plan year test (calendar yr)using the 12/31/99 account balances. The individual was not a key on 12/31/99, but is one in 2000. There seems to be a conflicting answer.
Richard Anderson Posted April 11, 2001 Posted April 11, 2001 I don't understand the original question. Are you asking; do you include his balance as a key employee for the 12/31/99 determination because he became a key employee in 2000? If that is the question, then the answer is no.
Guest Posted April 12, 2001 Posted April 12, 2001 I think Richard is correct, let us make sure we know what you are talking about. It sounds like you are saying: ee was not an owner (with enough comp) or officer meeting the definition of key as of 12/31/99. Therefore his/her account balance is not included in the numerator as of 12/31/99. in 2000, the ee either became owner or officer and became key in 2000. thus, as of 12/31/2000 the account balance is included in both the numerator and denominator. Therefore, it will increase the chances of the plan providing top heavy minimums in 2001.
Jean Posted April 12, 2001 Author Posted April 12, 2001 Thanks for answers. Tom's summary basically covers my questions. One additional one: If the plan is top heavy (again, 2000 plan year, using 12/31/99 determ date), then would that individual considered a key, and in our plan, not receive an allocation?
david rigby Posted April 12, 2001 Posted April 12, 2001 Top-heavy status is determined as of 12/31/99 in this case. That means that Key and Non-Key status is also determined as of that date. If T-H, then the plan will define who gets the T-H allocation in 2000 (or generically, in the next plan year). The plan will state either Non-Keys get T-H allocation, or that all participants get it. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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