Ahuntingus Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 I have a client that is thinking of starting a 401k plan. Two brothers own 100% of Company A; 50% each. The parents (to both brothers) work for the brothers, receive W2 comp, own 0% of company B and want to make 401k contributions to the 401k plan of Company A. In addition, the parents jointly own 100% of Company B; 50% each and do NOT want to offer a 401k to the employees of company B. The two sons do not own any of company B and they do not work for Company B. So the questions is If the parents contribute to the sons 401k plan as employees of company A and do not offer a plan to the employees of Company B is this is an issue?
Luke Bailey Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 Under IRC sec. 1563(e)(5) you would generally have attribution between the spouses, so each spouse could be deemed to own 100% of company B. Then because parent would own more than 50%, could have attribution from adult children. So could be a controlled group. Your actual facts could be more complex or nuanced than you have described, but check out the Code sections I have cited and see how they might apply, Ahuntingus. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Mike Preston Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 56 minutes ago, Luke Bailey said: Under IRC sec. 1563(e)(5) you would generally have attribution between the spouses, so each spouse could be deemed to own 100% of company B. Then because parent would own more than 50%, could have attribution from adult children. So could be a controlled group. Your actual facts could be more complex or nuanced than you have described, but check out the Code sections I have cited and see how they might apply, Ahuntingus. Huh? Luke Bailey 1
Bill Presson Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 I agree with Mike. Calavera, Luke Bailey, Mike Preston and 1 other 1 3 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Luke Bailey Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 22 hours ago, Mike Preston said: Huh? 13 hours ago, Bill Presson said: I agree with Mike. Yeah, you're right. Because neither H nor W own more than 50% of corporation A, the sons' stock is not attributed to them. Was late last night when I wrote otherwise. Bill Presson 1 Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Mike Preston Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Luke Bailey said: Yeah, you're right. Because neither H nor W own more than 50% of corporation A, the sons' stock is not attributed to them. Was late last night when I wrote otherwise. I would agree that 0% is less than more than 50%. Luke Bailey and David Schultz 2
Luke Bailey Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 13 hours ago, Mike Preston said: I would agree that 0% is less than more than 50%. Yes, Mike, but that's because you have the benefit of being an actuary. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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