BG5150 Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 As I understand it, if an Employer choses to utilize the Top Paid Group (TPG) for it's benefit plans, it must be used on all benefit plans, retirement and non-retirement plans. So, this would include 401(k) and an HSA, right? if an employer wants to use TPG for HSA, they have to use it for the 401(k) right? But what happens if you have conflicting choices? The HSA says TPG and the 401(k) plan says standard? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
DMcGovern Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 Notice 97-45 defines the word "plans" to include any employee benefit arrangement that references 414(q) for its internal nondiscrimination testing. All plans of the employer must make the election to be effective; if they don't all make the election, it isn't available to any of them. The plan(s) may be amended mid-year as long as it doesn't adversely affect a participant's accrued benefit (anti-cutback rule).
Peter Gulia Posted September 27, 2022 Posted September 27, 2022 Even presuming consistency rules for all an employer’s employee-benefit plans (of those that seek to meet a tax law condition that refers to Internal Revenue Code of 1986 § 414(q)): The Treasury department’s temporary rule (adopted February 19, 1988, and last amended June 27, 1994) interprets § 414(q) as it was in effect for 1996 and earlier years. Under that rule, § 414(q)’s definition for a highly-compensated employee applies if another Internal Revenue Code section refers to § 414(q). 26 C.F.R. § 1.414(q)-1T https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-1/subject-group-ECFR686e4ad80b3ad70/section-1.414(q)-1T About health, other welfare, and fringe-benefit plans, that § 414(q) temporary rule lists sections 89, 106, 117(d), 125, 129, 132, 274, 423(b), 501(c)(17)-(18), and 505. Section 223—Health Savings Accounts states no reference to § 414(q). Does some coverage or nondiscrimination rule apply intermediately or indirectly? Luke Bailey and DMcGovern 2 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
BG5150 Posted September 27, 2022 Author Posted September 27, 2022 Thanks @Peter Gulia. That's a great link! QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
CuseFan Posted September 28, 2022 Posted September 28, 2022 Yeah, I saw that as well, and chuckled at the Section 89 reference, that's how old this was. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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