Rayofsunshine Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 I've found a few posts related to this question but not a clear answer and it's nowhere to be found in the regs. Any advice would be helpful. We are a TPA and have a small client that deposit payroll in a timely manner (within 7 business day). However, they are always late in providing the payroll file/breakdown. There has to be some type of ramification for not being able to invest the participant's deferral in a timely manner. We've researched and can't find anything to send to the client to let them know about penalties they would incur for not providing the payroll files timely.
Popular Post MWeddell Posted November 10, 2022 Popular Post Posted November 10, 2022 The plan asset regulations depend on whether the money is held in the trust, not whether it has been invested according to a participant's investment direction. If you have not violated the plan document, then you don't have a compliance problem. Note that the trustee repeatedly investing money in cash for a few days each payroll period will not comply with ERISA 404(c), so it may lead to employer liability. Lou S., CuseFan, acm_acm and 4 others 7
Popular Post C. B. Zeller Posted November 10, 2022 Popular Post Posted November 10, 2022 I don't believe this would be a prohibited transaction (requiring deposit of lost earnings and payment of excise tax under sec. 4975) since the employer is not getting any use of the plan assets, like they would if they had held on to the actual contributions. Instead it sounds like the participants' investment selections are not being honored. What happens in that case is I think you have an ERISA 404(c) failure, the consequence of which is that the fiduciary is no longer insulated from the participants' investment choices. Potentially the participants could sue the trustee if they had a loss caused by failing to follow their investment instructions. CuseFan, ugueth, Luke Bailey and 3 others 6 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Rayofsunshine Posted November 10, 2022 Author Posted November 10, 2022 thank you both! This is what I was looking for, to somehow inform the employer that they have some sort of liability for not providing the breakdowns timely and therefore not allowing us to invest the monies into the participants accounts. ERISA 404(c) failure is what we hadn't thought about. Thank you again!
Roycal Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 On the issue of a 404(c) failure. I'd argue that the money is not actually subject to participant direction until it's allocated to their accounts. In the meantime, the investment fiduciary would be responsible for investing it prudently, with no 404(c) protection, of course, for the contributed money pending allocation. Some sort of cash fund should be prudent for a short holding period until a formal allocation can be made to participant accounts. This sort of situation highlights the sloppiness of how plans are drafted and how they are actually run by the recordkeeper and how employers participate in the process, or not. I say this without, of course, seen this particular plan document or otherwise knowing all the actual facts of the case. I expect it is also somewhat of a consequence of the DOL's hands-off approach to participant directed plans. A good, final solution for the recordkeeper would be to fire the client.
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