Ananda Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 For qualified plans, the tax withholding certificate for non-periodic payments and eligible rollover contributions is Form W-4R. For non-periodic payments, if no withholding election is made, the default withholding is 10%. For periodic payments made in regular installments over a period of more than one year, to elect withholding Form W-4P must be used. For RMD's they are clearly not eligible rollover contributions and are arguably not non-periodic payments but rather are typically regular payments that must be made to the participant for a period of more than a year. Thus, it's my view that if a participant wants tax withholding on an RMD that the Form W-4P rather than Form W-4R must be used. In fact, Form W-4R should have nothing to do with RMD's because if it did, then if no withholding election is made the Form W-4R mandates 10% withholding which should never apply to RMD's Any comments?
Peter Gulia Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 Absent details in the forms’ instructions, one might look to the definitions in Internal Revenue Code of 1986 § 3405 to draw a line between periodic and nonperiodic distributions. Section 3405(e)’s definitions include these: (2) Periodic payment The term “periodic payment” means a designated distribution which is an annuity or similar periodic payment. (3) Nonperiodic distribution The term “nonperiodic distribution” means any designated distribution which is not a periodic payment. http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26%20section:3405%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section3405)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true That a distributee receives standing-instruction monthly, quarter-yearly, or yearly payments counted to meet § 401(a)(9) minimum-distribution amounts might not make those payments sufficiently “similar” to an annuity that a payment is a periodic payment within the meaning of § 3405(e)(2). If either the distributee or the payer has a right to end or change the arrangement, that might make it dissimilar. If a plan precludes an annuity and similarly obligated payments, a plan’s administrator might prefer to treat minimum-distribution payments as nonperiodic. That way, the plan’s administration might use only one of the two withholding forms (for US payees). Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Ananda Posted February 8, 2023 Author Posted February 8, 2023 Thank-you Peter. This is very helpful. I was surprised that other than the "similar to an annuity" language I couldn't find any authority addressing whether ongoing required minimum distributions would be deemed periodic payments.
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