metsfan026 Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 Sorry for all the questions today! Have 2 participants in similar situations: Participant 1: Was eligible for the Plan, having worked 1,000 hours from 2014-2016 Worked about 250 hours in 2017 Had 0 hours from 2018-2021 Re-hired and worked 900 hours in '22 So it would appear that there was a 5-year break in service. Does that mean that this participant needs to re-establish eligibility, or do they become eligible again from the re-hire date? Participant 2: Was eligible for the Plan, having worked 1,000 hours from 2014-2017 Had 0 hours from 2018-2021 Re-hired and worked '22 This participant only had a 4-year break in service. I believe this means that they do become eligible immediately upon re-hire, since there was no 5-year break. Is that accurate for both participants?
C. B. Zeller Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 What does the plan document say? ESOP Guy, CuseFan, Luke Bailey and 1 other 4 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
ESOP Guy Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, C. B. Zeller said: What does the plan document say? This really is the only answer that can be given. Some plans have the 5 break language in it and other don't. I would add the rule of parity could come into plan if either of these people had a vested balance while in the plan before. A good plan document will spell out how to handle rehires clearly. Some don't and I consider them poorly drafted by definition. But the document is your friend here. Luke Bailey and CuseFan 2
CuseFan Posted August 18, 2023 Posted August 18, 2023 and some have one year hold out with retroactive re-entry, which doesn't really work with 401k plans Luke Bailey 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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