waid10 Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 When terminating a 401k plan, I confused about when a Notice to Interested Parties is required. Is a Notice required a certain number of days before Form 5310 filed? Or is a Notice required a certain number of days before the Plan is actually amended to terminate? We have adopted a Board Resolution to terminate later in the year. However, we want to file Form 5310 now. So I wasn't sure if a Notice needed to be sent to participants before the 5310 filing or if that Notice can be done in several months, which would be closer to the actual Plan termination date. Thanks.
C. B. Zeller Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 In general, no notice is required for a 401(k) plan termination. The notice you are asking about only applies because you are seeking a determination on the termination. The instructions for Form 5310, line 19 states Quote If “Yes” is checked, it means that each employee has been notified as required by Regulations section 1.7476-1. Following the reference to 1.7476-1(a)(i) Quote For the rules for giving notice to interested parties, see § 1.7476–2 and paragraph (o) of § 601.201 of this chapter (Statement of Procedural Rules). And on to 1.7476-2(b) Quote (b) Nature of notice. The notice required by this section shall— (1) Contain the information and be given within the time period prescribed in § 601.201(o)(3) of this chapter 601.201(o)(3) is a very long section, but the timing rule you are looking for is in subsection (xv) Quote (xv) When the notice referred to in paragraph (o)(3)(xiv) of this section is given in the manner set forth in § 1.7476–2(c) of this chapter, such notice must be given not less than 10 days nor more than 24 days prior to the date the application for a determination is made. See paragraph (o)(3)(xxi) of this section for determining when an application is made. If, however, an application is returned to the applicant for failure to adequately satisfy the notification requirement with respect to a particular group or class of interested parties, the applicant need not cause notice to be given to those groups or classes of interested parties with respect to which the notice requirement was already satisfied merely because, as a result of the resubmission of the application, the time limitations of this paragraph (o)(3)(xv) would not be met. Presumably, the notice has to be given to interested parties before the application is filed, so that an interested party has the opportunity to raise a complaint with IRS during the determination process if they feel that IRS ought to find against the plan. ugueth 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
waid10 Posted February 22, 2024 Author Posted February 22, 2024 So it sounds like a Notice must be sent prior to the 5310 filing, correct? Also, what has been folks' experience with terminating a 401k plan without obtaining a determination letter?
Popular Post Bird Posted February 22, 2024 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2024 3 hours ago, waid10 said: So it sounds like a Notice must be sent prior to the 5310 filing, correct? yes 3 hours ago, waid10 said: Also, what has been folks' experience with terminating a 401k plan without obtaining a determination letter? We haven't filed for many, many years. If you have a pre-approved document, and keep it up to date, then there should be no problem with the language. And getting an FDL does not protect you from being audited on the plan's operation. IMO, they have raised the fees to a point where they are essentially saying "don't bother us." FishOn, David Schultz, ugueth and 3 others 6 Ed Snyder
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