Bruce1 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 The plan has 3 employees. The owner and his spouse max their 402g and then an additional employee NHCE who doesn't contribute. The plan is a safe harbor 6% match. Since the NHCE employee didn't contribute for 2024. Can we declare a 4% discretionary match for the 2024 year and will the match have to be run through the ACP test? Is there anything I'm missing here?
Lou S. Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Yes you can, meets the ACP exemption. CuseFan and Bill Presson 2
Artie M Posted January 29 Posted January 29 When you say plan is a "SH 6% match," are you saying the match is 100% of deferrals up to 6% compensation? If so, there may be an issue under §1.401(m)-3(d)(3) (3) Limit on matching contributions. A plan that provides for matching contributions satisfies the requirements of this section only if— (i) Matching contributions are not made with respect to elective deferrals or employee contributions that exceed 6% of the employee's safe harbor compensation (within the meaning of §1.401(k)-3(b)(2)); and (ii) Matching contributions that are discretionary do not exceed 4% of the employee's safe harbor compensation. I read the reg to mean that only 6% of a participant's comp can be taken into account for all matches (reading the conjunctive "and"). Your proposal is going to take into account 10% for matches... at least if I am reading your facts correctly. Maybe I have been reading the reg wrong.... Just my thoughts so DO NOT take my ramblings as advice.
Bruce1 Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 The plan provides a safe harbor match, matching 100% of compensation up to 6%. I was referring to if we added a discretionary match, matching 100% of compensation up to 4%. From my understanding, you can't provide a match on deferrals that exceeds 6% of comp and pass the ACP test. From what I read, I can't do a discretionary match exceeding 4%? Meaning I can't do a discretionary match of 200% on the first 4% of compensation?
CuseFan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 agree with Lou you should be good. Bill Presson 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Lou S. Posted January 30 Posted January 30 The only thing I might caution is since there is only one NHCE and they are not deferring I think I would caution the client to keep good records that the safe harbor notice was in fact distributed and would encourage them to have an "opt out or 0% election" signed by that NHCE just in case the IRS might question it. CuseFan 1
BG5150 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 hours ago, Bruce1 said: From what I read, I can't do a discretionary match exceeding 4%? Meaning I can't do a discretionary match of 200% on the first 4% of compensation? For the discretionary match to also be ACP SH, like Artie said, it has two independent constraints: The discretionary match piece cannot match on deferrals on over 6% of plan comp. Also, the total dollar amount of the match awarded cannot be more than 4% of comp. So, your discretionary match could be 66 2/3% of deferrals up to 6% of pay. It satisfies both of those conditions. ShanAlicia, Bill Presson and Kac1214 3 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
BG5150 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Side note: If they know this NHCE will not ever defer, could they put in a triple stack match for next year to get the HCE up to the 415 limit, or close to it? 6% SH enhance match 4% discretionary match 85% of deferrals up to 6% of pay (or whatever formula works to max them out) Remember, only the discretionary match has the cap of 4% in dollars. The company cannot match on deferrals above 6% of pay in any of the tiers and stay SH compliant. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Artie M Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Another issue, based on your (Bruce1) original facts, the client wants to put the match in for the prior year. The only times we have utilized this type of match (including a triple stack) is when we had it in place at the beginning of the year, not after year end. I am not quickly finding any authority for this position... maybe just us being conservative. Just my thoughts so DO NOT take my ramblings as advice.
Bruce1 Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 17 hours ago, BG5150 said: 85% of deferrals up to 6% of pay (or whatever formula works to max them out) Do you have a link so I can do more research on the triple-stack match? @Artie M I'll look into how we can declare the discretionary match. I assume that since the match is discretionary, we can declare and fund the match after the year-end.
Bruce1 Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 19 hours ago, Lou S. said: "opt out or 0% election" We have a signed deferral election form to cover our bases.
BG5150 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 1/31/2025 at 9:13 AM, Bruce1 said: Do you have a link so I can do more research on the triple-stack match? I don't have a link, but I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff out there. This is a boutique type of calculation, I would consult with your TPA or bundled service provider.. Bruce1 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
RatherBeGolfing Posted February 11 Posted February 11 https://ferenczylaw.com/the-triple-stack-match-its-not-just-for-pancakes-anymore-autumn-2015/ Bruce1 1
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