TJ Posted June 13 Posted June 13 I'm a plan auditor and have a 401k Plan that excludes bonuses from its definition of compensation, so it gets tested under 414s. The Plan does fail the ADP test and the needed corrections were made. The 414s test also appear to fail, but its interesting because the HCE % is 90% and the NHCE ratio is 95%, so it's actually a -5% difference, meaning the test shows that more compensation is being excluded for the HCE group than the NHCE group. Given the rules apply to protect the NHCE group, would you consider this a non-issue for compliance purposes? The TPA is being rather vague on the matter.
Popular Post Bill Presson Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 How is that a failure under 414s? ERISAGirl, Bri, Lou S. and 3 others 6 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Popular Post EBECatty Posted June 15 Popular Post Posted June 15 Agree with Bill. The test under 414(s) is not how close the two percentages are, but rather whether the HCE percentage of total compensation exceeds by more than a de minimis amount the non-HCE percentage. In other words, you only have a 414(s) failure if the HCE percentage is too far above the non-HCE percentage. The other direction doesn't matter. 1.414(s)-1(d)(3): Nondiscrimination requirement—(i) In general. An alternative definition of compensation under this paragraph (d) is nondiscriminatory under section 414(s) for a determination period if the average percentage of total compensation included under the alternative definition of compensation for an employer's highly compensated employees, as a group for the determination period does not exceed by more than a de minimis amount the average percentage of total compensation included under the alternative definition for the employer's nonhighly compensated employees as a group. Bri, Bill Presson, Jakyasar and 2 others 5
Popular Post Belgarath Posted June 16 Popular Post Posted June 16 And just to add to the above, although the IRS has never issued any formal guidance on an acceptable "de minimis" percentage, a widely accepted (or at least utilized) percentage is 3%. Bri, Lou S., Bill Presson and 2 others 5
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