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Hi all, it's been over a year or more since I've in. I'm retired but trying to help someone out...

a 403(b) participant passed away and TIAA/CREF is saying that he named his widow for a portion of his account/certificate, but did not name a bene for another portion, and that portion is to go to his spouse 50% and his estate 50%. If in fact there was no bene des that checks out with the SPD (confirming my long-held belief that 403(b)s are a different world).

I'm familiar with the idea of a see-through trust, but is there any such thing as a see-through estate? She is the only beneficiary of his estate so she is ultimately entitled to all of the benefits, and of course would prefer to roll them over rather than open an estate and have the estate treated as the direct beneficiary.

I don't think so but thought I would take a shot. 

Ed Snyder

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It’s not necessarily Internal Revenue Code § 403(b) that sets up unusual provisions; sometimes, it’s a TIAA, CREF, or other contract that sets up provisions many other insurance, investment, or service providers don’t typically use. Or an interaction between an employer’s plan and one or more TIAA-CREF contracts.

Don’t rely on the summary plan description; there are many reasons an SPD might not accurately describe the plan. Don’t rely on what TIAA’s service people say about beneficiary defaults; there are many ways they might be mistaken (usually, innocently). But circumstances might it make it impractical for you to read the plan and contracts.

If a beneficiary is the participant’s estate, some providers might help an estate’s personal representative arrange to treat that estate’s ultimate taker as if she were the plan’s beneficiary or at least a distributee. To do so, the plan’s administrator, each insurer or custodian, the recordkeeper, the paying agent, and other service providers get releases, satisfactions, and indemnities. To arrange this requires that the personal representative’s advocate have a practical ability to get the attention of the service providers’ lawyer who has enough legal knowledge, time and willingness to listen, and discretionary authority to commit the service providers, and to ask for the plan’s administrator’s approval (or make the service providers’ risk decision to proceed without the administrator’s approval). Also, the indemnitees might want their indemnities from people with enough money and other property to pay at least the indemnitees’ defense expenses.

Do you have an in with TIAA?

Is the difference between a rollover and receiving money from the decedent’s estate enough to support an effort?

This is not advice to anyone.

Peter Gulia PC

Fiduciary Guidance Counsel

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

215-732-1552

Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com

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