BG5150 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 I have a client that has two people (NHCE) that they would like to exclude from the Basic Safe Harbor Match; they would still be able to defer. Coverage is not an issue. But, I still don't feel I can do this. But why not? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
ERISAAPPLE Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Under the safe harbor rules, everyone who is eligible to defer is required to get the safe harbor contribution. If they do not, you don't have a safe harbor plan. You can disaggregate the otherwise excludible employees, and apply the safe harbor to one disaggregated plan and the ADP to the other disaggregated plan, but that seems to be not what is happening here.
Tom Poje Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 though it is obvious what he meant to say, ERISAAPPLE missed one word every eligible NHCE (because of course, you can exclude HCEs) 1.401(k)-3(b)
ETA Consulting LLC Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 They can put those two NHCEs in a separate plan altogether. It would be a lot of work for the sole purpose of excluding two NHCEs from safe harbor while allowing them to defer. You'd still have to account for a host of other overlapping compliance issues. Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
david rigby Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 Just a hunch: the desired exclusion is merely a manifestation of something else going on. A good consultant would probe further, to (help) determine if there is another way to meet the underlying need. 401kgal 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
ERISAAPPLE Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Tom Poje said: though it is obvious what he meant to say, ERISAAPPLE missed one word every eligible NHCE (because of course, you can exclude HCEs) 1.401(k)-3(b) Yep.
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