BG5150 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Any issues with a new plan starting deferrals on June 1 with a plan effective date of 1/1? Someone here seems to remember someone opining on why NOT to do this, but we cannot figure out why. Any thoughts? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Bird Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 We typically make plans effective on the first of the year with certain provisions, like deferrals, effective during the year. Don't know of any reason not to do that. Ed Snyder
CuseFan Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 ditto Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Larry Starr Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Your example is not clear. When are you ADOPTING the plan? Are you adopting it mid year? If so, you ADOPT a plan, say, on June 1 but make it effective January 1 of that year. You could not possibly defer prior to the plan being adopted. Deferrals must be elected occur prior to the income being paid. So, this is a very normal situation and never a problem. Now, are you suggesting the very weird design of ADOPTING the plan on 1/1/ but not allowing deferrals until 7/1? Though I have never seen or heard of such a thing, I suppose it is possible so long as, if it's a safe harbor plan, you have the deferrals beginning on a date that meets the initial safe harbor deferral period rules (10/1 for a regular calendar year plan). Which is your example? Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
BG5150 Posted May 2, 2018 Author Posted May 2, 2018 Larry, it's the former. ER will be adopting the plan this month, with a plan effective date of 1/1/18 but no deferrals allowed until 6/1/18. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Luke Bailey Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I think that's OK too, and I guess the main effect is that for purposes of calculating any match and nonelective, the employer can, if it wants, take into account compensation for the entire plan year (1/1 - 12/31). Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Larry Starr Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 OK; while I don't know why they just don't allow deferrals as of the date they adopt the plan (what do they accomplish by not allowing deferrals until 6/1?), I don't see any problem with providing such a provision. Go with my blessings my son...... :-) Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Larry, maybe they don’t have the enrollment materials coordination done yet with their recordkeeper. Or perhaps they want to roll it out after a scheduled company-wide enrollment party. meeting.
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