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Any issues with a new plan starting deferrals on June 1 with a plan effective date of 1/1?

Someone here seems to remember someone opining on why NOT to do this, but we cannot figure out why.

Any thoughts?

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

Posted

We typically make plans effective on the first of the year with certain provisions, like deferrals, effective during the year.  Don't know of any reason not to do that.

Ed Snyder

Posted

Your example is not clear.

When are you ADOPTING the plan?  Are you adopting it mid year?  If so, you ADOPT a plan, say, on June 1 but make it effective January 1 of that year.  You could not possibly defer prior to the plan being adopted.  Deferrals must be elected occur prior to the income being paid.  So, this is a very normal situation and never a problem.

Now, are you suggesting the very weird design of ADOPTING the plan on 1/1/ but not allowing deferrals until 7/1?  Though I have never seen or heard of such a thing, I suppose it is possible so long as, if it's a safe harbor plan, you have the deferrals beginning on a date that meets the initial safe harbor deferral period rules (10/1 for a regular calendar year plan).

Which is your example?

 

Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC
President
Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
46 Daggett Drive
West Springfield, MA 01089
413-736-2066
larrystarr@qpc-inc.com

Posted

Larry, it's the former.  ER will be adopting the plan this month, with a plan effective date of 1/1/18 but no deferrals allowed until 6/1/18.

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

Posted

I think that's OK too, and I guess the main effect is that for purposes of calculating any match and nonelective, the employer can, if it wants, take into account compensation for the entire plan year (1/1 - 12/31).

Luke Bailey

Senior Counsel

Clark Hill PLC

214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com

2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600

Frisco, TX 75034

Posted

OK; while I don't know why they just don't allow deferrals as of the date they adopt the plan (what do they accomplish by not allowing deferrals until 6/1?), I don't see any problem with providing such a provision.

Go with my blessings my son...... :-)

Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC
President
Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
46 Daggett Drive
West Springfield, MA 01089
413-736-2066
larrystarr@qpc-inc.com

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