Jakyasar Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 Good morning all Owner only 401k plan - OwnerCo. Owner also works for another company as an employee - EE-Co. Owner over age 50. Owner will defer $6,000 in the company - EE-Co he is working as an employee. Owner will receive $22,000 salary from OwnerCo and will defer $20,000. So between the 2 deferrals, Owner is not going to exceed $26,000 for 2020. Of the $20,000 deferral under OwnerCo, the owner will treat $6,500 of the deferral as catch-up which will reduce the base deferral to $13,500. Owner will also make a $5,500 profit sharing contribution from the OwnerCo. Therefore $13,500+$5,500=$19,000 will not exceed 100% of pay i.e. $22,000. Agree? Thank you,
C. B. Zeller Posted June 22, 2020 Posted June 22, 2020 This wasn't explicitly stated, but assuming OwnerCo is a corporation? Owner receives a W-2 and not self-employment income? You cannot "treat" deferrals as catch-up by election; you have to exceed a limit. $20,000 exceeds the 401(a)(30) limit by $500 so we have $19,500 deferrals plus $500 catch-up. $19,500 deferrals + $5,500 PS = $25,000 which exceeds the 415 limit (100% of compensation) by $3,000 so another $3,000 of deferrals can be reclassified as catch-up. Ultimately we end up with $16,500 deferrals + $3,500 catch up + $5,500 PS = $25,500. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Jakyasar Posted June 22, 2020 Author Posted June 22, 2020 interesting math and thank you for clearly explaining it. Much appreciated.
Jakyasar Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 One more follow up question/confirmation Owner over age 50 2019 w-2 is 20,000 - no other income or employed somewhere else Deferral on the W-2 18,000 Want to maximize PS portion at 5,000 - max at 25% $18,000+5,000 = 23,000 which is 3,000 over the 415c limit Classify 3,000 of the 18,000 as catch-up. So 15,000 deferral+5,000 PS=20,000 - 100% compensation limit Am I correct?
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