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How do you calculate the owner's comp in a short plan year?

Doctor gets Schedule C, but is terminating Safe Harbor plan on 10/31 and wants to close up the small plan before EOY 2020..

How is her compensation calculated?  Is it zero b/c it's not determined until 12/31?  Or do they have to wait until next year and take 5/6 of the net income?

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

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This was discussed in another thread on here not too long ago. Consensus seemed to be that the owner had $0 comp for the short plan year since their comp is deemed to be received on 12/31.

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Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

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BG150, read all of the posts. Don't just settle for the consensus.;)

Luke Bailey

Senior Counsel

Clark Hill PLC

214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com

2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600

Frisco, TX 75034

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I think we are going to consider the income earned on 12/31.  So no income for short plan year ending 10/31.  It's ok, b/c owner did not make deferrals and probably doesn't want to fund his own safe harbor--keep costs to a minimum.

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

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I don't agree that a short year means $0 income because it is earned on 12/31.   There is P&L for that period.  If for some reason instead of a short plan year the owner had a short tax year, there would be income for the short period.  It is just unknown without going through all the calculations.  

My two cents

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This topic was just discussed in the ASPPA All Access session on compensation. The speakers agreed that the self-employed individual does have earned income for the short plan year.

Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance.

Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

Posted
55 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said:

This topic was just discussed in the ASPPA All Access session on compensation. The speakers agreed that the self-employed individual does have earned income for the short plan year.

Thank you, C.B. Zeller!

Luke Bailey

Senior Counsel

Clark Hill PLC

214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com

2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600

Frisco, TX 75034

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