BG5150 Posted October 28, 2020 Posted October 28, 2020 How do you calculate the owner's comp in a short plan year? Doctor gets Schedule C, but is terminating Safe Harbor plan on 10/31 and wants to close up the small plan before EOY 2020.. How is her compensation calculated? Is it zero b/c it's not determined until 12/31? Or do they have to wait until next year and take 5/6 of the net income? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
C. B. Zeller Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 This was discussed in another thread on here not too long ago. Consensus seemed to be that the owner had $0 comp for the short plan year since their comp is deemed to be received on 12/31. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Belgarath Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Here's the thread. https://benefitslink.com/boards/index.php?/topic/66365-owner-comp-mid-year-plan-termination/ C. B. Zeller 1
Luke Bailey Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 BG150, read all of the posts. Don't just settle for the consensus. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
BG5150 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Posted October 30, 2020 I think we are going to consider the income earned on 12/31. So no income for short plan year ending 10/31. It's ok, b/c owner did not make deferrals and probably doesn't want to fund his own safe harbor--keep costs to a minimum. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
AndyH Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 I don't agree that a short year means $0 income because it is earned on 12/31. There is P&L for that period. If for some reason instead of a short plan year the owner had a short tax year, there would be income for the short period. It is just unknown without going through all the calculations. My two cents Luke Bailey and Eve Sav 2
C. B. Zeller Posted November 6, 2020 Posted November 6, 2020 This topic was just discussed in the ASPPA All Access session on compensation. The speakers agreed that the self-employed individual does have earned income for the short plan year. Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Luke Bailey Posted November 6, 2020 Posted November 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said: This topic was just discussed in the ASPPA All Access session on compensation. The speakers agreed that the self-employed individual does have earned income for the short plan year. Thank you, C.B. Zeller! Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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