JOH Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Hi all- I was wondering if anyone knew the actual formula that is used to calculate the Lifetime Income Illustrations that are required in 2022. I know that DOL has the calculator but was wondering if some had the actual formula for both the Single and Joint, thanks
Lou S. Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 From the fact sheet https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm Assumed commencement date: On what date will the annuity payments begin? Plan administrators must calculate monthly payment illustrations as if the payments begin on the last day of the benefit statement period. Assumed age: How old is the participant on the annuity start date? Plan administrators must assume that a participant is age 67 on the assumed commencement, which is the Social Security full retirement age for most workers, or the participant’s actual age, if older than 67. Assumed Spousal and Survivor Benefits: What is the SLA benefit? Plan administrators must illustrate a Single Life Annuity, which will pay a fixed monthly amount for the life of the participant, with no survivor benefit after the participant’s death. What are the QJSA spousal assumptions? Plan administrators must assume that all participants have a spouse of equal age, regardless of a participant’s actual marital status or the actual age of any spouse. What is the QJSA survivor benefit? Plan administrators must use a Qualified Joint and 100% Survivor Annuity, which will pay a fixed monthly amount for the life of the participant, and the same fixed monthly amount to the surviving spouse after the participant’s death. Assumed interest rate: Plan administrators must use the 10-year constant maturity Treasury rate (10-year CMT) as of the first business day of the last month of the statement period to calculate the monthly payments. The 10-year CMT approximates the rate used by the insurance industry to price immediate annuities. Assumed mortality: How should life expectancy be determined? Plan administrators must use the gender neutral mortality table in section 417(e)(3)(B) of the Internal Revenue Code – the mortality table generally used to determine lump sum cash-outs from defined benefit plans. The use of gender neutral mortality tables is consistent with Arizona Governing Comm. for Tax Deferred Annuity and Deferred Compensation Plans v. Norris, 463 U.S. 1073 (1983). RatherBeGolfing 1
C. B. Zeller Posted August 26, 2021 Posted August 26, 2021 The lifetime income amount is equal to the account balance divided by the annuity purchase rate (APR). The APR is calculated actuarially and is based on the age, survivor benefit, assumed interest rate, and assumed mortality. Your valuation software may be able to calculate the APR from these inputs. For example here is a screenshot showing the calculation of the 100% J&S factor using the 2021 417(e) table and the 10-year treasury rate as of 8/2/2021 in ASC: If the participant's account balance was $100,000 as of the 8/31/2021 statement, the J&S lifetime income amount would be 100,000 / 252.208 = $396.50. ugueth 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Mike Preston Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 Everybody's administrative software (DATAIR, ASC [as shown above by C. B. Zeller], etc. should have the ability to generate the factors necessary to produce the disclosures. Here is a screen shot of my program confirming the 252.208 factor. ugueth and Bill Presson 2
401king Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 Coming back around to this with ~4 months to go...We are trying to create the formula for calculations rather than relying on outside software. Anyone know exactly how these calculations work? I can't seem to figure out how to incorporate the mortality table, interest rates, etc. Sorry, these actuarial calcs is new to me and I am completely flummoxed. R. Alexander
C. B. Zeller Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Honestly, it requires an introductory course in actuarial mathematics to understand how to calculate an APR from the underlying mortality tables and interest rates. It's not something that you could just slap down a formula and plug in the numbers and get a result. At best, you might be able to use a spreadsheet to calculate the APRs. But if you just download a spreadsheet from somewhere, is that really different from relying on outside software? 401king and Lou S. 2 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
401king Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, C. B. Zeller said: Honestly, it requires an introductory course in actuarial mathematics to understand how to calculate an APR from the underlying mortality tables and interest rates. It's not something that you could just slap down a formula and plug in the numbers and get a result. At best, you might be able to use a spreadsheet to calculate the APRs. But if you just download a spreadsheet from somewhere, is that really different from relying on outside software? I wouldn't even mind a spreadsheet so I can see the formulas but I'm having a tough time even tracking down that. R. Alexander
C. B. Zeller Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 I posted a spreadsheet in another topic. Feel free to give it a shot. https://benefitslink.com/boards/index.php?/topic/68927-apr-calculator-workbook/ Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
401king Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 21 hours ago, C. B. Zeller said: I posted a spreadsheet in another topic. Feel free to give it a shot. https://benefitslink.com/boards/index.php?/topic/68927-apr-calculator-workbook/ You saved my week. Thanks! R. Alexander
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