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March 5, 2024

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Santo Gold created a topic in Investment Issues (Including Self-Directed)

Basic Questions on Permitting 'Aggressive' Investments

"A plan sponsor asked their financial advisor (who in turn asked me) about possibly permitting what may be a REIT in the 401k plan. The plan is a pooled asset plan with trustee, not employee direction. The plan sponsor/trustee I believe wants to invest a significant amount into this new investment. The plan document does not have any restrictions on investments. The owner who is pushing for this is over age 70. I want to give them some possible downsides. Risky investments beyond retirement age would be one. So would possibly investing in a high risk investment that could negatively impact participant balances. Although a small plan (around 15 participants), This could be considered a non-qualifying asset and trigger an annual audit. Any other obvious matters to point out?"

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John ATL created a topic in 401(k) Plans

New Plan Under New Audit Participant Count Definition

"Are there any circumstances under which a brand-new 401(k) would now meet the audit requirements in its initial year? I can see any number of participants being eligible to participate at plan inception, but adding participant balances would take time after the implementation date (i.e. start of the plan year), resulting in no participants with beginning balances. Am I missing something?"

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justanotheradmin created a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance

'Just in Case' DB Plan Freeze Amendments?

"A TPA firm seems to be proactively sending out freeze amendments for small DB plans. No mention of the notice requirement to participants, and the communication is very clear that it says not to return a copy of the signed amendment right now to the TPA, but that if there is a need to reduce the 2024 contribution they will ask the sponsor for a copy of the signed amendment then.

"If plans are in danger of funding issues, I 100% agree that freeze amendments should be considered, and if needed executed and notice given. With the ability to increase benefits after year end that now exists with SECURE 2.0, another amendment to unfreeze can be done after year end if circumstances change. I disagree with the 'sign this now, but ignore it unless you need it' approach that TPA seems to be taking.

"I disagree with sending a resolution/amendment and telling a sponsor essentially if it's needed at the end of the year, they can provide the TPA with a copy then. ... This seems to be a document violation. Is there something I'm missing that doesn't make this at worst tax fraud and at best an ethical violation on the part of the TPA?"

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Basically created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Rollover Distribution: Non-Roth to Roth

"A single member plan (62yo participant) wants to take a distribution from his plan, pay the taxes outside the plan and put the total rollover into a Roth IRA. Can that happen?"

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ERISA25 created a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance

Withholding for Local Taxation (Market Practice)

"I believe most, if not all, of the large recordkeepers do not withhold local taxes from plan distributions. I assume that it's just too difficult to track and administer the various local tax withholding laws/rules. I would also think that there may be some preemption arguments because it's disruptive to the uniform administration of retirement plans. Without doing any research, I would think that some local jurisdictions would specifically require withholding and some may not (or may not have any rule at all). I'm thinking that the potential liability to a plan sponsor would be low b/c of some combination of the following: [1] the underlying local tax liability belongs to the participant; [2] it's a low amount; [3] limited local resources to enforce; [4] maybe preemption attaches; and [5] market practice of not withholding for local taxes. Anyone have any thoughts/direction on this issue?"

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PS created a topic in Plan Terminations

ADP Test Failure

"One of the terminated plans failed their ADP test since all participants have moved their money how can the correction be done? can they just have the tax record corrected or should employee return the excess amount to the plan."

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Plan Doc created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Controlled Group Coverage Testing for Employees Who Receive Wages from Both Member Companies

"Controlled group members Company A and Company B have some non-highly compensated employees who receive wages from both companies ('dual employees'). Company A sponsors a 401(k) plan. Company B does not sponsor a plan, and is not a participating employer in Company A's plan. Owners do not want to cover any Company B employees or to count Company B wages as plan compensation of dual employees. Dual employees participate in the plan to the extent of their compensation from Company A only. For purposes of coverage testing, is each dual employee treated as one employee of Company A who is participating and as one employee of Company B who is not participating? This seems counterintuitive if a controlled group is deemed a single employer for plan purposes. Is each dual employee instead treated as a single employee of the controlled group, thereby helping pass the ratio percentage test on the basis of their participation in the plan, even though their Company B wages are excluded, but presenting a likely discriminatory definition of compensation problem because of that exclusion?"

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Coleboy1 created a topic in Form 5500

Adding Lines to Form 5500 MEP Schedule

"I'm working on a 2023 5500 large plan filing. Plan is an MEP so I have to complete the new MEP schedule. In Part II, I have more employers than I have space for. Do I add a 2nd MEP schedule? Or do I just add a spreadsheet as in years prior to accommodate everyone?"

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bhodge113 created a topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities

403(b) Plan with No Eligibility Exclusions

"I have a 403b plan with no exclusions for eligibility. They had a new employee that was hired for a temporary/part time/one year position and they didn't allow her to defer. The match is 9% if you defer 3%. I think they should put the money in for 2023 for her and year to date for 2024. They wish to amend the document going forward to exclude Temporary and Part Time employees. I do not have any other 403b plans and am not certain that is the best route. It's a small employer with only 9 employees. Thoughts?"

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AlbanyConsultant created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Residential Loan Refinance to Get a Lower Interest Rate

"Interest rates may come down at some point. I've got a participant who is asking if they take a residential plan loan now for 20 years and the rates drop over the next two years, can they refinance the remaining unpaid balance at the lower rate? The plan does allow refinancing. I've seen several discussions here and have reviewed 1/72(p)-1. It seems like this is not well-defined. I mainly wonder if since there is no acquisition at the time of the refinance, is it limited to five years at that point?"

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Santo Gold created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

Can 'Temporary Employees' Be Considered an Excluded Class?

"A 401k plan sponsor does not want 'temporary employees' to be eligible to be in the plan. These TEs only work a few months. The 401k plan has a 90 day service requirement, elapsed time, no hours requirement with monthly entry. Without the exclusion, a few of these TEs could slip over the 90 days and still be there on a plan entry date. Can they be an excluded class or does this seem too connected to a service issue that would not be permitted as an excluded class? What if the exclusion centered on something like 'employees not eligible for health benefits' are excluded?"

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Belgarath created a topic in Humor, Inspiration, Miscellaneous

Slow 2023 Federal Income Tax Refunds

"Just curious as to what people may be hearing. Remarkably simple income tax return filed electronically end of January -- IRS refund website confirms accepted January 31. Refund still not approved/processed. Return has 2 W-2's 2 1099's. That's it, standard deduction. In the past, these have been processed VERY fast. And everyone I know who filed at the same time this year got their refund processed and received very quickly. There's no option I'm aware of to actually talk to someone at the IRS who can say what the hold-up is. When I did call, the phone message was the EXACT wording that is on the 'Where's my Refund' site. I just wondered if other folks you might know are encountering similar delays."

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Belgarath created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Distribution Codes for QBAD's, Terminal Illness, PLESA's, Domestic Abuse, Etc.

"I'm finding this subject confusing, particularly due to the fact that some vendors/recordkeepers are handling the process differently, or their information is contradictory/confusing, etc. So, it is very clear that a QBAD is reported on a 1099 as a Code 1. A PLESA (which I hope never to encounter anyway) is treated as a qualified Roth distribution, and reported as such. For other SECURE/2.0 special distributions, it seems like a Code 2 is possible if the 'AND YOU KNOW' clause in the 1099 Code 2 instructions is satisfied. Are you allowed to use a Code 1, even if you 'know' -- or if the employee certification doesn't convince you -- you are allowed to rely on it, but are you allowed to REPORT as a Code 1, or MUST you report as a code 2 if you ostensibly 'know' it qualifies?"

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