QDROphile

The plan sponsor/employer has nothing to do with QDRO procedures. QDRO procedures are a matter of plan administration, to be adopted by the plan administrator, or if there is a separate fiduciary for QDRO administration, then that administrator. Don’t get sloppy about the distinction just because most plan sponsors inappropriately* name the employer as the plan administrator. As far as adoption of the written QDRO procedures goes, appropriate adoption action and memorialization is determined by the form of organization of the administrator (unless the plan itself or other adopted procedures under the plan specifies how adoption is to be carried out). If the administrator is a corporation, then the adoption should follow the corporate procedures and policies for adoption with respect to similar matters. That gets us into matters relating to corporate and agency law, including delegation of authority, etc., which is beyond the scope of this response. —OR— it is possible that the sponsor/settlor adopted an entire package of plan documents in one action (of course with full knowledge and mention of everything that was being adopted - not) and the written QDRO procedures were included in the package. *Choice of who to designate as a plan administrator is a separate matter in which I am a righteous outlier, if you review the discussions on the subject in Benefitslink. It is fine for a sole proprietorship to name the employer as plan administrator, and that’s about it.

This response is based on some inferences and is not advice. I am uncertain what is meant by your award of “an annuity at fifty percent.” You report that you were awarded a portion of your former spouse’s pension as a separate interest. With respect to the remaining portion of the participant’s interest that you were not awarded, how can you be a surviving spouse? The reason you were awarded your separate interest is because you got a divorce. You are no longer a spouse of the participant, and therefore cannot be a surviving spouse with respect to what is left of the participant’s interest. The plan knows you are no longer a spouse because of the QDRO. It does not matter that the designation of you as a spouse was not updated. The plan has sufficient records to determine your status — not a spouse. The plan is not going to pay a surviving spouse benefit when there is no surviving spouse. The plan will enjoy an actuarial benefit from the early death of the unmarried participant. If the plan has an option for a survivor annuity for a non-spouse, and you were designated as recipient of that survivor benefit, you might have something to go on if the designation of survivor were not updated after the divorce. I am guessing that most pension plans provide survivor benefits only for spouses, and this is one.

You didn’t ask, but if this is a 401(k) plan and Company A and Company B are not under common control or properly treated as a single employer, are they related in a way that allows the plan to be exempt from registration under applicable securities laws?

First, is the plan subject to ERISA? Mention of a probation officer raises the question about the type of plan. Could it be a government plan? It makes a big difference. If it is an ERISA plan, I would start with a claim for benefits by the widow in order to make the plan state its position. Also, a claim for benefits is rather simple and cheap relative to other courses of action, which may ultimately be necessary anyway. The plan is required to have written claims procedures. Follow them.

Given the difficulty of understanding the description and the context, any answer is speculative. I can imagine a context in which the advice is perfectly sane. It depends on exactly what the interests are, and if a QDRO has been established. The advice would be appropriate if the adjustments had to go back to the state court for revision of its order. State courts do not like to open cases that have been resolved, and certainly wouldn’t do it simply because one party wanted to revise. The best hope would be for the court to be presented with an agreed-upon amended/replacement. See Calavera’s post.

Nice! (1) Is the organization eligible to have a non-ERISA Plan (government; church)? Plan 2 can't be a 457(b) plan -- your description says it is funded. (2) Nonprofits often have strange ideas and use strange terminology. Is it possible that Plan 2 is not a separate plan, but just a separate set of accounts to hold the "excess" deferrals but labeled and talked about as a separate plan?

I am rather dismayed that this question keeps popping up. However, it is good to be reminded that the plan document controls, though I often wonder whether the sponsor is making a conscious choice to serve some policy reason or it is simply a default in the design by the document provider.

One reason for restricting beneficiary elections is the belief that a retirement plan is for the worker and the spouse in retirement, not for estate planning and maximum generational tax deferral. The roots are found in older law, now changed, but the belief is still valid, and can go hand in hand with keeping administration as simple as possible.

fmsinc’s post illuminates a separate question that is lurking inside the original post and needs to be disentangled. When a plan “learns” that a deceased participant is divorced when the plan records reflect that the participant is married, the plan does need some reasonable basis for paying another beneficiary, assuming that a non-spouse beneficiary is permissible under the plan. I offer nothing by way of identifying who is responsible for determining the marital status or what is satisfactory for determination. Good written administrative procedures are always helpful.

Proofreader’s correction: “Two DoL Advisory Opinions making it clear that the Plan need NOT look behind QDROs it receives to see it it conforms to State law or is for any reason irregular. Their only focus is to determine whether or not it's a QDRO under ERISA.” I did not read the entire text carefully. This just jumped out at me.

This is your first misstep and misunderstanding: ”When we are on notice of a divorce through the death certificate, we ask the estate or beneficiary to provide a divorce decree or separation agreement to determine if there is a possible DRO … .” Setting aside the mistaken position published by the DOL about being on notice concerning a potential DRO, the plan is not on notice about a potential DRO when the “notice” is of a divorce from a death certificate that is not presented in connection with some other form of notice expressly about an existing or prospective domestic relations order. Divorce, by itself, means nothing under ERISA 206(d)(3) and does not to require the plan to do anything. The plan has to keep an eye out for notice about a prospective domestic relations order that could affect plan interests, and the plan’s written QDRO procedures should address the detail. Shame on the plan documents you are working with. Don’t go looking for trouble. You will find it in your actions, not in duties that don’t exist. In particular, if you can ascertain that the divorce is a year or more in the past, you should have complete comfort about proceeding with the normal processing relating to payment of beneficiaries. Especially in defined benefit plans, the participant’s former spouse is in a race against death and remarriage. I am not suggesting that death of the participant precludes a QDRO, but time works against a would-be alternate payee and the plan is protected against dereliction. I also think that you are overly concerned that somewhere in ancient history the plan did not attend to a domestic relations order or an acceptable notice about prospects of a domestic relations order. The passage of time will also protect the plan, even in the case of the plan’s dereliction. Would-be alternate payees have an obligation to prosecute their claims to benefits. I would not go too far back in my search for trouble on that account, either. I am not faulting the goodwill and good intentions of your concerns. However, fiduciaries get into trouble by trying to do too much and going beyond the bounds of their duties and responsibilities while trying to help, especially when there is potential contest over benefits. Unfortunately, bad things like those you fear do happen to alternate payees, usually through the fault of their incompetent lawyers.

Definitely not. The law requires that the plan notify the plan participant of the award of some of the participant's interest to someone else. You could request that the plan send that notice to the participant without any reference to you (except that it may have to include your name). You don't want a one size fits all notice that goes to both of you with your contact information on it. I agree that your identifying information, except your name, can be kept out of the public record of state court domestic relations proceedings in most states. That is a matter for the state court proceedings that produced the order. That record is already in place.

"Can all "civil" lawsuits involving a benefit covered by ERISA be removed to Federal Court?" No. Unless the issues relate directly to benefits under an ERISA governed plan, the jurisdiction questions become very difficult and fact specific. Removal occupies a significant space in a law school civil procedure class. I doubt that this forum is well suited for you to progress toward the particular answers you seek. If the parties are engaged in civil litigation already, that is a question for the lawyer of the party who is interested in removal.

What is the last transaction or plan communication in this story? A domestic relations order with a “judge seal”, as requested by the plan, was submitted to the plan. Is that it? Has there been any communication with you since submitting the order? What and when was the last communication from the plan to you?

The knowledgeable custodian, or perhaps the accommodating trustee, who are both effecting the transfer, should have the answer to that question as well. 😉

Apologies. It looks like I misread your questions. Are you saying that (1) the fiduciary acted in disregard of provisions stated in a form and provisions stated in the SPD*, and (2) the provisions in the form and SPD were not inconsistent with core plan document adopted by the sponsor? Part of the analysis gets us into the question of what is a plan document. It still involves questions of interpretation and it still requires a reading of all of the relevant provisions in the plan and the administrative documents. I don't think this forum is conducive to that kind of review. *There is also a question relating to the required timing for revising administrative and disclosure documents to reflect changes in the law or the plan. The fiduciaries have to act in accordance with the effective new governing standard/provision before the documents are required to catch up to the changes.

This sentence: "Plan document " DOES GRANT the Named Fiduciary seemingly all encompassing powers to make determinations of fact, determine who the "rightful" beneficiary is ,etc. etc." does not suggest that a named fiduciary could "ignore/disregard/override written conditions on THEIR OWN forms and in their own SPD". The sentence does suggest that the plan document authorizes some fiduciary to create an administrative structure -- including forms -- that is not inconsistent with express plan terms. ALL plan terms have to be considered in evaluating the amount of discretion given to the fiduciary to administer the plan and whether or not some proposed action or administrative policy is within the scope of authority and not inconsistent with plan terms (reasonably interpreted).

The plan is required to communicate the disposition of the domestic relations order* to the plan participant and the alternate payee, and their respective lawyers of record (if identified to the plan). The plan is under a fiduciary duty not to communicate otherwise. You can request whatever you want, but the plans actions and restrictions are pretty well determined by law. *Such as whether or not the order is qualified — whether or not it is a QDRO — and any particular interpretation by the plan of what is awarded to the alternate payee.

It depends on what the resolution and the plan say. Depending on what the plan requires, a resolution can effect changes, e.g., serve as the amendment itself. Or a resolution might authorize an agent to take action, such as adoption of an amendment, in accordance with the terms of the resolution. The entire context is relevant and corporate, agency, and contract law are implicated.

Subject to the terms of the plan document, beneficiary designation and allocation details are usually left to administrative procedures. While on the one hand, that means that amendment is less cumbersome if administration is friendly to participants. On the other, in these days of computer administration, the system might be rather limited and inflexible about what it will accept. Thank the provider for its self-interested off the shelf arrangements. That said, an accommodating human administrator might dread the confusing, inept, and ambiguous designations and allocations that inexperienced drafters come up with. A retirement plan is not meant to be a vehicle for fine-tuned estate planning. Who wants to struggle through difficult interpretation?

Another contact would be the 401(k) plan administrator. "Plan administrator" is a term that is used to mean several things, unfortunately, including a service provider that may be a mutual fund company, a brokerage company, an insurance company, or another financial institution. Who communicates to you about your account in the 401(k) plan? If you contact the employer, which is a good start, the employer may refer you to the plan administrator.

Sorry, I did not read the entire monograph. What I did read focuses on an important matter that is not relevant to the question at hand in this thread. The latter part of the monograph may address the question of a specified dollar amount, so my apologies if I have unnecessarily jumped on the first part without acknowledging that the monograph gets around to what is relevant here. The monograph begins by focus on when the alternate payee’s interest is determined, usually as a function of some date relevant to the divorce, such as when the divorce is determined to be final. The examples relate to determining a percentage of the participants account as of that key date. That amount, with the presumption of crediting earnings and losses until the “segregation” date, which I have referred to as the date that the plan actually creates the alternate payees subaccount, needs to be preserved through the interim time before implementation under the plan to be able to give effect to the words of the domestic relations order and the intended economic value of what was awarded. An award of a specified dollar amount is outside of the considerations described in the beginning of the monograph. The specified amount is determined without respect to any particular historical date in our case. The order itself instructs the plan administrator to simply use that specified amount when the administrator establishes the subaccount, and then give credit for earnings and losses after that. That is a clear statement of the intent of the court and the parties, which should be the determining factor in implementation of the order, not some state law legal presumption that involves a determination of amount that is dependent on a particular date rather than a specified amount. And, while abstract notions of fairness would suggest that determining the value as of the divorce date is the “correct” approach, it is rational for the parties to pick a specified amount, that the alternate payee is entitled to receive as of the time the amount is established under the plan, without respect to what the financial markets have done between the date of divorce and the time the plan gets around to establishing the sub account and making the amount available for distribution. The parties may have intended to protect the alternate payee against losses, at the possible expense of foregoing interim gains. That is for the parties to decide or the court to determine if there is some contest. It is certainly improper for a plan fiduciary to try to look into the purposes and intents of a domestic relations order and override the terms of the order (citations omitted, but available, and that’s THE LAW).

I read Paragraph 8(ii) to provide that investment earnings and losses do not accrue on the alternate payee’s specified dollar amount until the subaccount is actually created and the amount credited to the sub account (and allocated among the investment options, if that is what the plan usually does). This approach is very easy for the plan to administer because the earnings and losses take care of themselves and do not have to be calculated as part of establishing the alternate payee’s interest.

Some thought should be given to securities law compliance, often overlooked in multiple employer 401(k) plans. There is a Benefitslink topic on the subject. I don’t know if there are federal exemptions for church related organizations, and don’t forget state securities law.

If the order specifies a dollar amount, but says nothing about earnings, it is reasonable to establish the alternate payee's subaccount with the specified dollar amount as of the date the plan administrator gets around to establishing the subaccount. If the order states a date of "segregation", a reasonable QDRO administrator (the relevant fiduciary, which might be the plan administrator) might still interpret the order to provide for a specified amount whenever the subaccount is established. As observed by others, the statement of a date injects ambiguity because the fiduciary will recognize those words as having a meaning associated with investment earnings. The notice of qualification will state the fiduciary's interpretation by stating whether or no earnings will be awarded. That allows the parties to appeal (to the plan, not the court) if they don't agree. That might be the smoothest way to proceed. If they appeal, the plan will have to disqualify the order for failure to specify the amount to be paid (unless the parties agree in the appeal on the implicit award of earnings and how to calculate them) and then everyone is back in the same position as suggested by not qualifying the order in the first place. In any event, the relevant fiduciary is the one to interpret the order and should express that interpretation (including an interpretation the the order is ambiguous) in the notice of qualification or not qualification. It is always nice for the written QDRO Procedures to state that, as a condition of qualification, the order must make an express statement about the award of earnings. Responsible drafters of DROs will read the QDRO Procedures, but responsible drafters of DROs will also know better than to omit specific terms about earnings. The QDRO Procedures might also say that a DRO will be presumed to recognize time value of money and that absent an overriding instruction, the plan's usual administrative procedures* for calculating earnings on an award to an AP will apply. Again, that might be a quicker route to the intended outcome than immediate disqualification. The plan has at least a chance that it will choose what the parties intended (if the parties actually thought about it). And, sadly, even if the Plan's default is not what the parties intended, everyone may be so relieved to get on with life that they won't appeal, thus saving the Plan from further rounds of dealing with incompetent drafters. Obviously, I am used to looking out mostly for the plan. It is dangerous for a plan to try to look out for the competing interests of individuals in a divorce. *Which might include such other things as (1) creating the AP's subaccount with a proportionate share of each of the participant's investment accounts, or (2) investing the AP's subaccount initially in the Plan's default investment, or (3) stating any unvested balances will be allocated between the participant and the AP.