C. B. Zeller
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FT William 401k Discretionary Match
C. B. Zeller replied to austin3515's topic in Operating a TPA or Consulting Firm
Is it? I don't see anything in the text of that item or the items above or below it that would restrict it to the YOS match formula. There is the heading of course, but as it says in the basic document, headings are for reference and convenience only, and are not part of the plan document. It seems to me more likely that the coders at FTW put this item in the wrong place. You could always select "Special schedule" in D.8.f and describe it there. Something along the lines of, "a uniform percentage of Matched Employee Contributions not in excess of X% of Compensation" -
FT William 401k Discretionary Match
C. B. Zeller replied to austin3515's topic in Operating a TPA or Consulting Firm
Looks like it's at D.11.b in my adoption agreement. It's under the heading "Years of Service" which doesn't make much sense to me, but so be it. -
Not Sure If Anything Can Be Done Here
C. B. Zeller replied to Dougsbpc's topic in Correction of Plan Defects
Whoops. Missed that part. Then I agree with Bri, it's still a deferral election, it's merely late. -
Not Sure If Anything Can Be Done Here
C. B. Zeller replied to Dougsbpc's topic in Correction of Plan Defects
Not even late. For an owner with earned income, they have until their tax return is finalized to deposit their deferrals. For a sole prop that can be as late as 4/15, or even later on extension. I would have no problem saying that the establishment of an auto-$2k/month withdrawal constitues an election to defer $24k for the year. So just get the remaining money in by 4/15 and call it a day. -
You only need to test them all together as one big group. Under 414(b), members of a controlled group are treated as a single employer for testing purposes. So if A, B, and C are all the same employer, and C, D, and E are all the same employer, then logically all of A, B, C, D and E must be the same employer.
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Peter's info (as he is clear to remind us, not advice) is thorough and excellent as always. It sounds like the client is happy with the current tax situation, and ejohnke is just looking to correct the potential disqualifying defect of allowing a distribution that shouldn't have happened. Is that accurate? If the individual could have had a distributable event, but the plan didn't allow the distribution, could the plan be retroactively amended to permit it? For example, the participant is 60 years old, so amend the plan retroactively to 2025 to permit in-service distributions at age 59-1/2. Problem solved. If there really is no possible distributable event (don't forget that employer money sources can have much more liberal distribution restrictions than 401(k) deferrals), then you might still be able to get relief for the distribution (and leave the money in the Roth IRA) through VCP.
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Plan termination - when can distributions be made
C. B. Zeller replied to Santo Gold's topic in Plan Terminations
Stock sale or asset sale? If asset sale: A still exists as a shell company and the owner(s) of A can sign on behalf of A. The participants can take distributions right after the sale date since they are no longer employees of A. If stock sale: B is now the sponsor of The Company A 401(k) Plan and has the authority to sign. Participants can not take a distribution until the plan termination date. Termination triggers the successor plan rule and B may not be allowed to maintain a 401(k) plan for 1 year after the distribution date. This is why, with a stock sale, it is important to terminate the seller's plan before the sale date, or be prepared to merge the plans. -
Can a Roth Catch-up be deposited to a Roth IRA rollover
C. B. Zeller replied to Renee H's topic in 401(k) Plans
An IRA can not be part of a qualified plan. A Roth IRA can not be rolled over into a Roth account in a qualified plan. Just set up the new account. Do it right. -
Glad to hear it's working out well for you. In my experience, I've never seen the IRS try to bring the hammer down on someone who was demonstrably making an honest effort to comply. They are pretty lenient with waiving penalties as long as you can show you were trying.
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To satisfy the RMD in a DB plan, the participant must commence distribution of their entire accrued benefit no later than the RBD. What does the plan document say about the available forms of benefit? I suspect it offers a few annuity options, with monthly or annual frequency. The participant would need to elect one of the available forms of benefit and commence distribution under the selected form. Conversion of the accrued benefit to the elected optional form must be done according to the plan document's rules. In regard to your questions, consider this: I'm assuming your acccrued benefit numbers are single life annuity amounts. What would happen if the participant commenced distributions as a monthly life annuity on 4/1/2026 at $1,090/month and then died on 4/2/2026? Now compare that to what would happen if they took $9,810 on 4/1/2026 instead. Do you see the problem? As an aside, this is why you should never do RMDs from DB plans as life annuities. Use a term certain only annuity without life contingencies, that way if the participant dies, the undistributed part of their accrued benefit is not forfeited. Alternatively, you can do a lump sum distribution of the entire accrued benefit, use the DC account balance method to calculate the portion that is an RMD, and roll over the rest. Just be aware of 436 restrictions and the 110% funded rule if you go this route.
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ASC can natively import txt files. Is the file structured in any reasonable way? Have you tried using one of ASC's import wizards or their predefined importer specs, if one exists for the data source you're using? If you want to take the approach of using code to extract/transform data before loading it into ASC, then a chatbot could probably help you write the code. I'd recommend that you know enough Python (or whatever language) to be able to read and understand the bot's output before relying on it in production. People on the internet seem to like Claude for that kind of task these days, but I can't offer any personal experience.
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SECURE 2.0 Section 603 - another Roth catch-up question
C. B. Zeller replied to WCC's topic in 401(k) Plans
Plans limiting pre-tax catch-up contributions for employees not subject to section 414(v)(7). The rules of paragraph (b)(3)(i) of this section also apply to a plan that includes a qualified Roth contribution program and, in accordance with an optional plan term providing for aggregation of wages under § 1.414(v)-2(b)(4)(ii), (b)(4)(iii), or (b)(4)(iv)(A), does not permit pre-tax catch-up contributions for one or more employees who are not subject to section 414(v)(7). The bolded part makes all the difference here. Normally, you do not aggregate wages from multiple employers to deterimine if an employee is subject to mandatory Roth catch-up - even if the employers are part of a controlled group or otherwise aggregated for other plan purposes. However, the referenced sections provide for optional aggregation of wages if the companies are using common paymaster, are aggregated under 414(b), (c), (m) or (o), or in the year of an asset purchase. If the plan is optionally aggregating wages under one of those provisions, then you may end up with some employees who would not normally be subject to mandatory Roth catch-up, but who are solely because of the aggregation. What the quoted paragraph is saying is that a plan can restrict those employees to Roth catch-up even though strictly speaking they are not subject to 414(v)(7). -
Does a Solo 401(k) plan’s user know she needs a TPA’s help?
C. B. Zeller replied to Peter Gulia's topic in 401(k) Plans
As of right now, it looks like the article is running under the title "America’s Booming Solo Workers Embrace $72,000 Tax Shelter" Besides Form 5500, possible pain points include: Capturing any non-owner employees who are required to be covered (including long-term part-time employees) Analysis of related employers which could result in a controlled group or affiliated service group With respect to an unincorporated business, calculation of net earned income, both for purposes of limiting contributions to 100% of compensation and deduction of employer contributions to 25% of compensation Applying limitations on distributions Applying mandatory tax withholding on distributions Reporting distributions on Form 1099-R Applying a plan's loan provisions -
You mean like https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/employers-and-advisers/plan-administration-and-compliance/reporting-and-filing/form-5500 ?
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Combo plan, CG, deduction related
C. B. Zeller replied to Jakyasar's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Not sure I follow your comment about top heavy. Are you saying that none of the XYZ employees have EVER worked 1000 hours in a year, meaning they are all otherwise excludable and therefore don't have to receive a top heavy minimum contribution under SECURE 2.0 rules? If so, then I agree. However if any of them ever do work 1000 hours then they will have to receive a top heavy minimum because the DC plan does not consist SOLELY of deferrals+safe harbor, and therefore doesn't qualify for the top heavy exemption. If this is a concern that there might be XYZ people who work 1000 hours in the future, I'd recommend separating the 401(k)+safe harbor and the profit sharing into separate plans so that you can maintain the top heavy exemption. Anyhow, use $500k for your deduction limit calc. None of the XYZ employees are benefiting in the plan so you can't count their comp. -
A plan which consists solely of deferrals and safe harbor contributions is deemed not top-heavy. As soon as a dollar of profit sharing goes in to the plan - regardless of whether it goes to a key or non-key employee - the exemption is lost. Now the plan must provide the top heavy minimum. First check the highest allocation rate to any key employee, including deferrals. If that's greater than 3%, then the top heavy minimum is 3%. Then look at each of the non-key employees, and see how much they received in safe harbor matching contributions. If they deferred at least 3% (or 5% if a QACA), then their safe harbor match would be at least 3% and they would not need any additional employer contribution. Then you have to give a profit sharing allocation to each of the other non-key employees who were employed on the last day of the year. If they received any match at all, then the profit sharing just has to be enough to get them to 3% match + profit sharing. If there are any non-key HCEs that received profit sharing, then you have to test the profit sharing allocation for coverage and non-discrimination. All of this is assuming that it agrees with your plan document. This is what the plan documents that I use say, but you have to read yours to make sure it's the same. For example, yours might give the top heavy minimum to all employees as opposed to just non-keys, or it might not have the last day requirement, or something else entirely.
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RMD - Less than 100% vested
C. B. Zeller replied to Vlad401k's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
I assume this is a DC plan? If so then 1.401(a)(9)-5 applies. So the default rule is that you use the entire balance, vested or not. However if the RMD exceeds the vested balance, then you only distribute the vested amount. If we're talking about someone who terminated during 2025, then also be sure to check the plan document's rules about when forfeitures occur. If they are deemed to have a forfeiture immediately upon termination (say because their vested account balance is less than $7,000) then their account balance as of 12/31/2025 (for the 2026 DCY) would only be the vested amount. For 12/31/2024 (used for the 2025 DCY, due by 4/1/2026) there couldn't have been a forfeiture by then so I think there's no question that the full account balance is used. -
It's actually based on the employer, determined without regard to controlled groups or affiliated service groups. So if you have a plan sponsored by two companies, A and B, which are members of a controlled group, and employee X earns $100,000 from each A and B, then even though their plan comp is $200,000, they are not subject to Roth catch-up from either employer since their comp from any employer was not greater than the limit. Meanwhile if you have employee Y in the same plan who earns $180,000 from A and $20,000 from B, then their deferrals from A would be subject to Roth catch-up while their deferrals from B would not.
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safe harbor for those still employed on LDOY only
C. B. Zeller replied to Tom's topic in 401(k) Plans
Cuse is correct. If your client needs proof, you can point them to IRC sec. 401(k)(12) which requires that the contribution be made to "each employee who is not a highly compensated employee and who is eligible to participate in the arrangement." Also see Example 4 in 1.401(k)-3(c)(7) of the regulations which is exactly on point that you can not impose a last day requirement on a safe harbor contribution.
