C. B. Zeller
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The multiple-formula rule under 1.401(a)(4)-2(b)(4)(vi) requires that the formulas be available to employees on the same conditions. Since there are different conditions for the SHNEC and the integrated profit sharing, you can't use it.
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If you actually read section 4.01(c) in the FT William basic though, the fail-safe described there doesn't make a lot of sense with respect to 401(a)(26), especially for the meaningful benefit part of 401(a)(26). Their EGTRRA document allowed you to specify a target benefit accrual (usually 0.5%, as per the Schultz memo), and if 401(a)(26) failed, you would increase benefits starting with the participants whose benefit accrual was the largest but less than the specified target amount. The PPA document says nothing about any target amount and instead says that you start by expanding the group of participants to include employees who would not otherwise be eligible. I am with Dalai Pookah on this, I am curious why the old fail-safe was removed in the PPA document as it provides a more sensible default method for correcting a failure. We asked FT about this back when the PPA document came out, but did not get a satisfying reply - they said, basically, they did not think the IRS would approve their document with that language in it. Like CuseFan, we have moved over to relying on retroactive corrective amendments when needed. However that comes with its own issues, including compliance with 1.401(a)(4)-11(g), 1.401(a)(26)-7(c), 436(c), and 412(d)(2).
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Cross Test with SHNEC - Max Profit Sharing to HCE and 0 to NHCE
C. B. Zeller replied to MP CPC's topic in Cross-Tested Plans
This is a common way to structure contributions when you have an older HCE and some younger NHCEs. It is not discriminatory, as long as the numerical tests under 401(a)(4) are satisfied (and you said that they are). SHNEC is considered a profit sharing contribution for purposes of 410(b) and 401(a)(4). -
Can the 2021 tax return be amended for a new plan?
C. B. Zeller replied to Jakyasar's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Yes, it is too late. Retroactive adoption under the SECURE Act requires that the plan be adopted before the tax filing due date, including extensions. If the return was filed on time, then there is no extension to the due date - this is true even if an extension request was filed on time. -
I have seen plans written where the pay credit is defined as the amount that will make the hypothetical account balance equal to the 415 maximum lump sum at the participant's current age as of the end of the year. Sometimes it's even a checkbox option in a preapproved plan. I'm not sure I would use that option though - I think I would prefer a traditional DB formula at that point.
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Make a top heavy contribution in a non-top heavy plan
C. B. Zeller replied to ERISA Philomath's topic in Cross-Tested Plans
Every plan has to specify in which plan the top heavy minimum will be provided. Since B/C is the top heavy aggregation group, and C is a defined benefit plan, C's top heavy minimum will control. What does the plan document say? To get to your original question though, there is nothing that requires that the top heavy minimum be provided in a plan that is part of the same aggregation group. If C says something along the lines of, "The top heavy minimum benefit will be provided in plan A to the extent that any non-key employee required to receive a top heavy minimum benefit is otherwise a participant in A, otherwise the top heavy minimum benefit will be provided in plan B" then I think it would accomplish your goal. -
If anyone on this board feels that the RMD rules are lacking in some substantive manner that would be within the IRS's regulatory authority to fix, this is a reminder that the comment period for the recently-proposed RMD regulations is currently open.
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No This is also not correct The maximum deduction is equal to the greatest of: The minimum required contribution under section 430, Funding Target + Target Normal Cost + Cushion Amount - Assets, or If the plan is not subject to section 430(i), Funding Target determined as if the plan were subject to 430(i) + Target Normal Cost determined as if the plan were subject to 430(i) - Assets The cushion amount is equal to: 50% of the funding target, plus If plan benefits are based on compensation, the amount that the funding target would increase if future compensation increases were taken into account If plan benefits are not based on compensation, the amount that the funding target would increase if expected benefit increases for succeeding years were taken into account, based on the average annual benefit increase over the last 6 years
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B might be a 1361(b)(3) qualified subchapter S subsidiary, aka Q-sub. If that's the case I believe the plan would be PBGC exempt but I would still recommend going through the determination request to be sure. In my experience they get back to you pretty quickly.
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NEC = Non-Employee Compensation If someone is receiving one of these, then they are not an employee. Not an employee means they are not eligible for the plan.
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As David correctly notes, the maximum deductible contribution is equal to the greater of the minimum required contribution, or the amount otherwise calculated under 404(o). However, this question disturbs me a little. The actuary who calculated the maximum should be aware of this rule and shouldn't have provided you with a maximum smaller than the minimum. I have to wonder if the actuary did take that into account and the maximum is correct, and you are misinterpreting the results. The minimum is not equal to just the target normal cost - if the value of plan assets (reduced by any credit balances) is greater than the funding target, the minimum required contribution is equal to the target normal cost minus the amount of such excess. Assuming no credit balances, if the value of assets is more than $120,000 greater than the funding target, then the minimum would actually be $0. With the current difference between the ARPA segment rates and the un-stabilized segment rates, it should be very rare that the minimum required contribution dictates the maximum deduction.
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This is different from what you said in your original post, which was that counselors are excluded from participation as a class. If they are eligible, but simply never meet the annual allocation conditions, that changes the situation quite a bit. Going back to condition (iv) I think the word "solely" may still foul things up for you however. I think you might be misunderstanding how the otherwise excludable testing option works. You take ALL employees who have not met the minimum age and service requirements of 410(a) (1 year of service/1000 hours and age 21), and treat them as if they were a separate plan. The disaggregation group would have to satisfy testing on its own. As long as nobody in that group is an HCE (which is unlikely, as HCE status is based on prior year's compensation, and an employee who worked enough in the prior year to earn above the compensation limit has probably met the 1000 hour requirement and would not be otherwise excludable), then the disaggregation group automatically passes coverage testing. See 1.410(b)-2(b)(6). The remaining non-disaggregated population would then be only those employees who have met 1 year and 1,000 hours of service and age 21. If none of those employees are excluded under the plan then the coverage test passes.
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I suspect this is shorthand for saying that the participant (and spouse) did not waive QJSA before the benefit commencement date, therefore the benefits commenced in the form of a QJSA on the benefit commencement date. Many defined benefit plans, especially cash balance plans, offer a lump sum as an alternative form of benefit. That's why IRC 417(e)(3) exists.
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ADP Refund--HCE has both Roth and Pre-Tax deferrals
C. B. Zeller replied to BG5150's topic in 401(k) Plans
Another suggestion—likewise not advice—would be to distribute the refund from both the pre-tax and Roth sources in the same proportion as the employee's contributions for the year. That should avoid any appearance of preference towards one or the other. -
Under 1.410(b)-6(f)(1), there are five conditions that must be met in order to treat an employee as excludable: i. The employee does not benefit for the plan year, ii. The employee is eligible to participate in the plan, iii. The plan has an hours of service or last day requirement in order to accrue a benefit, iv. The employee fails to accrue a benefit solely because of the failure to meet the hours of service or last day requirement, and v. The employee terminates employment during the plan year with no more than 500 hours of service. "Plan" for 410(b) purposes means after the application of the mandatory disaggregation rules, so not the entire plan, but just the matching or profit sharing portion of the plan. See 1.410(b)-7(c). Leaving condition (iv) aside, the counselors in your example satisfy condition (i) and (v) but not condition (ii), and condition (iii) is also not satisfied. Therefore the counselors cannot be treated as excludable for purposes of the coverage test. However, the plan will likely satisfy the coverage test by disaggregating the portion of the plan covering otherwise excludable employees, that is, the employees who have not satisfied the maximum age and service conditions under 410(a)(1). That will include the counselors and presumably some of the FTEs, however as long as that group does not contain any HCEs it will automatically satisfy the coverage test. For that matter, you haven't said anything regarding the relative number of HCEs and NHCEs in the employee population. You said it is a school, so presumably there are not a lot of HCEs. Would the plan pass the ratio percentage test, even without disaggregation? How about the average benefits test?
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Yes indeed - you can't aggregate plans for 401(a)(26), so they would need to have a single plan covering both employers in this case.
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cash balance accrued benefit at NRA
C. B. Zeller replied to Draper55's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Reason #27 on the Big List of Reasons Why You Shouldn't Use a Variable Interest Crediting Rate. -
Sole Prop Average Comp
C. B. Zeller replied to DBnme's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Assuming that you are just simplifying for the purposes of this discussion - since the net earned income calc is a little more involved than just earned income minus plan contributions - then yes, you are correct. The contribution will reduce net earned income, which will reduce the high-3 average comp for 415. If this is the sponsor's only plan, then you can use the $10,000 de minimis 415 limit (prorated for years of service), which is not much, but it's better than $1,000. -
110% test related
C. B. Zeller replied to Jakyasar's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
The other option is to have the sponsor make a contribution to get the plan 110% funded. -
ASG or not, this certainly appears to be a controlled group. With the wife doing work for the husband's company it is likely that the spousal non-involvement exception does not apply. There is nothing stopping them from setting up separate plans. Are there any employees? If there are non-HCEs then the plans may need to be aggregated for testing.
