C. B. Zeller
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If an employee moves from an eligible classification to an ineligible classification, for example from division A to division B, they may be excluded prospectively. Check the plan document, as it should explain what happens when an employee moves from eligible to ineligible classification. For service-based participation conditions, the maximum permissible condition is described in IRC 410(a) - 1 year (1000 hours) of service. If an employee has completed 1000 hours of service then they may not be excluded on the basis of service. They may not be excluded merely because their hours drop below 1000 in a later year.
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Employer returned 401k forfeiture. Can I put it back into an IRA?
C. B. Zeller replied to Jayman's topic in 401(k) Plans
I've worked with Fidelity, they absolutely can do this. They might not make it easy, but it's possible. Your employer (or their third party administrator) might have to open a service request with Fidelity. If they won't do it, look at your SPD for claim procedures. You have a right to bring a claim for benefits under sec. 502 of ERISA. Hopefully just asking for this info will get your employer in line, as you mentioned no one wants to have to bring it to the courts. If they just cut you a check for $7,000, here are some of the consequences of that: It is not a plan distribution, so it can not be rolled over. If you are eligible, you could use it to make an IRA contribution (not a rollover), up to the annual limit ($6,000 plus $1,000 catch-up if you are over 50 for 2021). It is not a plan distribution, so there is no 10% early withdrawal penalty. If it is treated as wages (reported on W-2), it will be included in your income for federal and state income tax, FICA tax, etc. If it is treated as non-employee or independent contractor compensation, you could also owe self-employment taxes on it, plus you may have to file a schedule C to report the self-employment income on your 1040. Even if your employer has you sign something that you agree not to come after them for the $7,000 from the plan later on, that would be unenforceable. Both ERISA and the Internal Revenue Code have anti-alienation and anti-assignment clauses, meaning that it is impossible for you to lose your rights to money that is owed to you under the plan, even voluntarily. So you could theoretically come back for it years from now, and they could still be liable. -
Employer returned 401k forfeiture. Can I put it back into an IRA?
C. B. Zeller replied to Jayman's topic in 401(k) Plans
What your former employer should do, is restore your forfeiture and pay you from the plan. That $7,000 that was forfeited went into a "forfeiture account" in the plan, and since this was all pretty recent, chances are it's still there. If it's no longer in the forfeiture account for whatever reason, then the employer would have to write a check to Fidelity - not to you personally - for the amount that needs to be restored to your account. Either way, once the money is back with Fidelity, the employer should instruct Fidelity to restore it to your account, then they should initiate a new distribution from the plan to the same IRA custodian. This is, technically, a case of non-compliance. The good news is that the IRS provides easy-to-follow rules to fix plans when they have compliance issues, and as long as your employer does things the right way, they will not have any problems. If they try to pay you back outside of the plan it will cause bigger problems for both of you later on. -
Restricted Distributions
C. B. Zeller replied to Belgarath's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
The top-25 rule does not depend on the plan's AFTAP per se. There is an AFTAP-based lump sum restriction, but it is different. The top-25 HCE rule is found in 1.401(a)(4)-5(b)(3). For this purpose, the restricted employees are the top 25 current or former most-highly paid HCEs. The rule is found in the 401(a)(4) regs and the definition of HCE is the usual definition for 401(a)(4) purposes. However, this entire paragraph in the regulations is under the heading "pre-termination restrictions." This rule is not usually meaningful upon plan termination, since you have to pay these people out regardless. If you are offering a window prior to plan termination, that might still fall under pre-termination, though. -
Eligibility provision
C. B. Zeller replied to SSRRS's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
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This question is outside of my area of expertise, but I will note that the Securing a Strong Retirement Act would, if passed, amend IRC 414(b) to state that community property is disregarded for purposes of determining ownership in a controlled group. So it seems that there is some intent in Congress to get rid of this, but it remains to be seen if the provision will actually end up in law. It would also state that controlled groups will not exist solely due to the existence of a minor child.
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Yes. Even if she stops working for her husband's company, don't forget to look out for minor children, or community property depending on what state they're in.
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Point them to the section of the plan document that says distributions will commence by the participant's required beginning date, even without the participant's consent.
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An RMD can be distributed without the participant's consent. However the participant must be given the opportunity to waive the 10% federal income tax withholding. As a matter of prudence, the plan administrator might want to get the participant to complete a form, if only to ensure that the payment information is correct. If the participant in question is the plan administrator, then this step might be redundant.
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Does A Plan Need It's Own TIN?
C. B. Zeller replied to metsfan026's topic in Retirement Plans in General
The trust must have an EIN. Usually this comes up when you are opening a new account at a brokerage house, as they will need an EIN to open the account. Even if you get a EIN for the plan, you must still use the sponsor's EIN on the 5500. The only place the trust EIN will appear on the 5500 would usually be on the Schedule R, and if you're talking about small plans you wouldn't usually need to attach a Schedule R. -
Belgarath is correct, "designated" beneficiary under IRS regs does not require the participant's actual designation. See reg 1.401(a)(9)-4, particularly Q&A-2. If you have access to ERISApedia.com, chapter 6 of their Qualified Plan eSource has a good discussion of this.
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Employer over-deposited PS to holding account--now what
C. B. Zeller replied to BG5150's topic in Retirement Plans in General
I agree with the other commenters that there is no way this is ok. The excise tax under IRC 4972 is on non-deductible contributions, defined as contributions made in excess of the limit under IRC 404. Choosing not to take a deduction for a contribution does not make it a nondeductible contribution, if it does not exceed the 404 limit. Furthermore, even if you did actually make a nondeductible contribution, you still have to allocate it to the extent possible. You could carry forward an allocation if, for example, all participants were at their 415 limits. -
Affiliated Service Group Questionnaire
C. B. Zeller replied to AndyH's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Are you talking about a management group? The definitions of A-org and B-org both reference an ownership interest in the FSO. I agree that the bullet points I mentioned earlier fail to account for management groups. -
Employer over-deposited PS to holding account--now what
C. B. Zeller replied to BG5150's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Mistake of fact is usually a minor typographical or arithmetic error. If they meant to put in $10,000 and but typed an extra zero by accident, that would be one thing. But I would have a hard time believing they didn't notice $90,000 missing for over 8 months! Check the plan document. I bet it says that the contributions will be allocated to participants. -
I agree with ERISApedia and Who's the Employer. Your group of employees who satisfied the maximum age and service conditions of 410(a) will satisfy ADP by way of the safe harbor contribution. Your non-410(a) group will be subject to the ADP test; even though some employees in that group are receiving safe harbor contributions, it does not satisfy the ADP safe harbor because not all employees in that group who are eligible to defer are getting them. Hopefully all of your otherwise excludables are NHCEs, so testing that group will be satisfied easily.
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Force out limit not followed properly - retroactive amendment?
C. B. Zeller replied to WCC's topic in 401(k) Plans
I don't think that increasing the force out limit would be an additional benefit, right, or feature, since it would remove certain participants' rights (the right to defer their distribution). I think you could treat this as failure to obtain participant consent to the distribution, and correct using the method in Appendix A.07. Basically, give them the option to repay the distribution back to the plan. -
The lifetime income amount is equal to the account balance divided by the annuity purchase rate (APR). The APR is calculated actuarially and is based on the age, survivor benefit, assumed interest rate, and assumed mortality. Your valuation software may be able to calculate the APR from these inputs. For example here is a screenshot showing the calculation of the 100% J&S factor using the 2021 417(e) table and the 10-year treasury rate as of 8/2/2021 in ASC: If the participant's account balance was $100,000 as of the 8/31/2021 statement, the J&S lifetime income amount would be 100,000 / 252.208 = $396.50.
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Loan default correction
C. B. Zeller replied to Belgarath's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
To get back to the original question, the extension of the self-correction period under Rev Proc 2021-30 should mean you can now use SCP. -
The plan document should address the match computation period.
