C. B. Zeller
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There's nothing in the CARES Act that says they can't. The plan document might restrict CRDs to only active employees though. Most of us probably don't have CARES amendments in hand yet. You should ask your document provider if there is anything in their CARES amendment which would restrict a terminated participant from taking a CRD. There is always the option to roll the balance over to an IRA, and then take their CRD from there.
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Profit Sharing to encourage more participation?
C. B. Zeller replied to Gilmore's topic in 401(k) Plans
Absolutely. How it's communicated doesn't really matter, if anyone gets any benefit, whether inside or outside the plan, that is determined based on whether or not they deferred, or how much they deferred, it is a violation. There are a few exceptions to this rule, one of which is matching contributions. And a correction to my previous reply, it is called the "contingent benefit rule" not the "conditional benefit rule" as I said earlier. 1.401(k)-1(e)(6) -
Profit Sharing to encourage more participation?
C. B. Zeller replied to Gilmore's topic in 401(k) Plans
You can't do that with profit sharing, it would violate the conditional benefit rule. It would have to be treated as a match, subject to the ACP test and the other 401(m) rules. I am not sure whether you can do a match formula that is based on a flat dollar amount, as opposed to a percentage of pay. Personally I have never seen it done that way. -
Adding Years of Service
C. B. Zeller replied to Toy Cannon's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
Since you mention the employee hasn't reached normal retirement age yet, we are presumably talking about an early retirement benefit? ERBs are a benefit, right or feature subject to nondiscriminatory availability requirements. Like Effen said, as long as you make the same benefit available to all HCEs and non-HCEs alike, you should have no problem. -
Affiliated Service Groups - Current IRS Guidance??
C. B. Zeller replied to kmhaab's topic in 401(k) Plans
Absolutely! The other resources at ERISApedia.com are excellent as well. -
Affiliated Service Groups - Current IRS Guidance??
C. B. Zeller replied to kmhaab's topic in 401(k) Plans
Yes, 81-105 and the 1983 proposed regs are still in effect. Shout out to Derrin Watson's "Who's the Employer" which succinctly answers this and (I have not counted but probably) thousands of other questions. -
ADP/ACP Test Improved By Corrected Data
C. B. Zeller replied to Below Ground's topic in 401(k) Plans
This sounds like an overpayment failure correctable under EPCRS. Under EPCRS the plan does not have to request repayment of amounts less than $100. From Rev Proc 2019-19: -
Cashout when rollovers are involved
C. B. Zeller replied to BG5150's topic in Retirement Plans in General
Roll it over to an IRA. From Notice 2005-05: -
Good point Luke. The W-2 safe harbor definition includes wages as defined in 3401(a), and 3401(a)(23) explicitly includes amounts includible in income due to 409A.
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ACP Test for Safe Harbor Match and Employee After-Tax
C. B. Zeller replied to PensionPro's topic in 401(k) Plans
The reference in question is 1.401(m)-2(a)(5)(iv) Since the reg says a plan is "permitted to" disregard the match (not required to) it follows that a plan is also permitted to include the match. -
You can always exclude any portion of compensation for HCEs and still have a safe harbor definition of compensation. That said, this this phantom stock plan sounds like a nonqualified deferred compensation plan. Here is what 1.415(c)-2(c) says:
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DB Deduction
C. B. Zeller replied to Christopher Wilson's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I will remind clients in this situation that we are not tax experts and we can't in good faith provide them with tax advice. Our valuation report has a line that says something along the lines of, "This is the maximum deductible contribution under IRC sec. 404, but we can not confirm that this amount is deductible for federal income tax purposes, check with your tax advisor or accountant." That said, I agree with Lou's understanding, I don't think there is a way to deduct an amount that would cause a loss. If they contribute the amount anyway, they have a non-deductible contribution which is subject to excise tax. There is an exemption to the excise tax for the amount necessary to satisfy minimum funding. To your second question, the deduction is not based on average comp. It is based on the sum of the funding target plus target normal cost plus cushion amount over the market value of assets. If the plan's benefit formula is based on average comp, then the funding target and target normal cost could be affected by a change in average comp, but given the very low 2018 comp for #1, I expect it's going to be hard to get an appreciable increase in the average for 2019, especially considering 401(a)(17) limits. -
The top heavy rules are full of contradictions when compared to other sections of the code. Why can you disaggregate otherwise excludables for coverage but not for top heavy? Nondiscrimination can be tested using pay as a participant, but top heavy has to use full year compensation regardless of entry date? I could go on, but it's not going to help anything unless Congress decides to change it. If the objection is just to having to actually having to do the amendment, you might include a 410(b) fail-safe in your plan document which would automatically bring in enough NHCEs to satisfy coverage. Another advantage of this is it might bring in someone who is unvested, allowing you to forfeit their contribution. If you do an -11(g) for a terminated participant they have to be at least partially vested.
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1.416-1 Q&A M-10
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IRS Notice 2020-62
C. B. Zeller replied to Belgarath's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
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Yes, you have to do the -11(g) amendment, otherwise you have a qualification failure.
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IRS Notice 2020-62
C. B. Zeller replied to Belgarath's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
You never need to use it, it's only a safe harbor. Any differences between your notice and the model take yours out of the safe harbor, but don't necessarily make it invalid. -
Yes Does coverage pass using the average benefits test? Does the plan document have a 410(b) fail-safe provision? If not, then you have to do an -11(g) amendment to add benefits for some NHCEs.
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The examples in A-5 and A-6 adequately cover the adjustments required for 2020 quarterly installments due during 2020, however the notice included no mention of what to do with the 2019 4th quarter installment due on January 15, 2020. Here is my analysis, based on the guidance provided in the notice: The January 15, 2020 installment, or any portion of it that was unpaid as of January 15, 2020, is increased at the 2019 effective interest rate to the date of payment, not later than January 1, 2021. The 2019 funding contribution will not be made later than January 1, 2021, therefore the penalty discount rate (2019 EIR + 5%) will never apply to this installment. The contribution is discounted at the 2019 EIR from the date paid to the valuation date, the same as if the quarterly installment requirement did not apply. Therefore, this has the effect of eliminating the 4th quarter installment for 2019. Do you agree? Did I miss something in the notice?
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No. But does the document permit discretionary profit sharing contributions? If so then rely on that to provide your 3% (or whatever amount) to all employees.
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DB plan with post-10/15 contributions - auditor thoughts?
C. B. Zeller replied to Bug on my window's topic in Form 5500
They should be reported on lines 1b(1) and 2a(1)(A) of Schedule H. Unlike the Schedule SB, you can include contributions on the Schedule H even if they haven't been made at the time the 5500 is filed. Therefore, if you know in advance what the contribution is going to be, you can report it on the Schedule H when you file it on or before 10/15. However, since you will have to amend the filing anyway once the final contribution is made, I don't see the point. As far as the audit report, you will have to discuss that with the auditor.
