Belgarath Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 I always find this subject confusing. Safe harbor basic matching formula - 100% of first 3%, 50% on the next 2%. Plan also allows discretionary match. If a discretionary match is made adding another 50% on deferrals of 4% and 5% - basically transforming the match to 100% of the first 5%, it seems to me that this satisfies the ACP safe harbor, still. Basic match, discretionary match is less than 4% (it is 1% max). What about nondiscrimination testing? No current availability issue, is effective availability a potential problem, (cause the discretionary match is only available if you defer more than 3%) or am I worrying about nothing?
mphs77 Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 Wouldn't there be an issue with the structure of the discretionary match as it is an increasing formula (0% for the first 3% of deferrals, then 50% for 3% thru 5%)?
mphs77 Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 more like missing a gear when shifting, isn't it?
TPAJake Posted October 5, 2016 Posted October 5, 2016 That would be a problem if you were only contributing the discretionary portion, but in this case they were matching 100% of the first 3%, so the escalating rate of match issue wouldn't really apply...Right? As long as the document allows it, the safe harbor notice says it & there's a deferral election on file for everyone proving they knew about it, I think it's solid. But hey, I've been wrong before.
Belgarath Posted October 6, 2016 Author Posted October 6, 2016 Let's change the scenario - SH plan with basic matching formula. So if you defer 5%, you get 4%. In addition, there's a discretionary match of, say, 66% of the first 6%. This stays within the 6%/4% limit, and rounded, in essence means that a participant who defers 6% will receive an 8% total match. Plan still exempt from top heavy, if there are no other contributions? That seems to be allowable under 1.401(m)-3(d)(3)(i) and (ii).
BG5150 Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 ^ yep QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
RatherBeGolfing Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 Let's change the scenario - SH plan with basic matching formula. So if you defer 5%, you get 4%. In addition, there's a discretionary match of, say, 66% of the first 6%. This stays within the 6%/4% limit, and rounded, in essence means that a participant who defers 6% will receive an 8% total match. Plan still exempt from top heavy, if there are no other contributions? That seems to be allowable under 1.401(m)-3(d)(3)(i) and (ii). Yes, and you can add a fixed match to that (still not matching deferrals in excess of 6%), max out your HCEs, and still be exempt from top heavy
austin3515 Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 Belgarath, we do that all the time when there is lousy employee participation. In fact sometimes we just show it as an optional contribution when we send them the SH Match calc. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
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