whitboston Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 An employee entered into an employment agreement with his employer. It had a section regarding the 401(k) plan with the wording "any employer matching funds for the 401k plan would be deducted from the overall compensation. For example if compensation equals $300,000 and he puts in $10,000 into the plan thereby triggering a $10,000 employer match, then his compensation would be adjusted to $290,000" Can you do this? The company has a 401(k) plan and this person is a W-2 employee. Thanks.
401king Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 I would have a hard time not calling that an Employee Elective Deferral. It's an election the employee makes, reducing his overall income. Just as a "Traditional" deferral would. ...Maybe that part just shouldn't be in writing. R. Alexander
Bill Presson Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Employer contributions are considered as part of an employee's total compensation package all the time especially in medical practices. I can't comment on the specific language used in the agreement. It's possible that some attorney's know how to draft the agreement and some do not. But if you have any non-owner physicians working for one of your clients, something like this is in their agreement. MoJo and RatherBeGolfing 2 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
whitboston Posted January 5, 2017 Author Posted January 5, 2017 Thanks. Does the wording have an impact on how much they contribute? Would it be treated like an employee deferral? Or can they deduct the full $18,000 and then get the full company match?
Bill Presson Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 I'm not an atty so I cant really say. Frankly, I don't see this as different from an Employer deciding what the profit sharing contribution is going to be each year in a cross tested plan with 1 group per person. The language is important. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
BG5150 Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Would the OP lead to a deemed CODA and thus $20,000 in deferrals? ESOP Guy 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
whitboston Posted January 5, 2017 Author Posted January 5, 2017 Thanks. Yes, that is what I am concerned about that it would be considered exceeding the 402g limit. Maybe thinking too much about this, but the wording in the employment agreement makes me wonder.
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