BG5150 Posted March 16, 2017 Posted March 16, 2017 Plan is prior year tested. Last year, no NCHE contribs, no HCE. 2016 1 HCE and some NHCEs. HCE is over 50, deferred $2,500. ADP test fails, but no refund, re-characterized as catch-up. He received a $600 match. ACP test obviously fails. BUT: do I forfeit the match b/c the ADP test failed and all the match is attributable to deferrals anathema to the ADP test? Or, do I refund the money, as the ACP test fails? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
BG5150 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Posted March 16, 2017 Yes. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
CuseFan Posted March 16, 2017 Posted March 16, 2017 then the match is permitted, but still fails ACP and so must be forfeited to extent not vested and distributed to extent vested, right Tom? Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Tom Poje Posted March 16, 2017 Posted March 16, 2017 that is my understanding. if there had been a match in prior years (e.g. not last year obviously) then there are some other possibilities. lets say there was a prior match, and the person's match balance is 2000 and he is 60% vested. then his vested balance is 1200 and he could receive all 600 of the match as long as his next statement would be match balance 1400 60% vested but vested balance is 600, which, 600 / 1400 is less than 43%.
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