Rod Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 Hi everyone, Straight to the point. I urgently need a 401K withdraw to cover emergency home repairs. I have no other means to pay for the repairs and they're not for improvements but will not qualify for the home repair hardship due to it's not caused by a disaster. I'm considering submitting an eviction notice. Will the 401K admin research the validity? Besides not approving my withdraw, what other actions may they take if invalid? I realize this may come across as nefarious but I do not have anywhere else to turn and the money is NEEDED for repairs to my home. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Belgarath Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I think you'll find that most Administrators will require an eviction notice from the BANK. I don't believe you'll find a bank willing to produce a false eviction notice. While I truly sympathize with your situation, I'm dubious that it will work.
K2 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Bear in mind that not all plans allow hardship withdrawals.
ESOP Guy Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 What you are suggesting is fraud and it is a crime. Please come up with a different solution. Will a 401(k) loan not work/available? Help from friends/relatives/church...?
CuseFan Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 i believe IRS safe harbor definition says to repair damage to your principal residence but does not specify it has to be caused by a natural disaster. if failure to secure these repairs will make your residence uninhabitable and result in "eviction", you might be able to get some documentation from the local codes officer to that effect which might be sufficient for your Plan Administrator. Good luck. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
401king Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 What exactly is the damage? Damage resulting from neglected maintenance is not eligible, but that's not to say you have to have gone through a natural disaster to qualify. R. Alexander
Rod Posted May 22, 2017 Author Posted May 22, 2017 Thank you for the replies. @401king -- my roof was damaged during a storm last year. Received insurance money for the roof but I have interior damage due to water. (electrical, drywall, ceiling etc..) @sCuseFan -- how do I know if my 401(K) offers the safe harbor option? Because what you described is EXACTLY what I'm facing. @ESOP Guy -- yeah, I'm not to keen on possibly commiting a crime. It's my hard earning money though. @kcbrim -- my plan allows for hardship withdraws.
CuseFan Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 check your spd or ask your plan administrator. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
TPAJake Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 You will likely need a professional estimate of the repairs in order to justify any amounts you request. You would submit that estimate along with your hardship withdrawal request form to the Administrator.
BG5150 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Repairs to the home are only allowed for a hardship if the expense is otherwise deductible under Sec. 165 and is not covered by insurance. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 3 hours ago, BG5150 said: Repairs to the home are only allowed for a hardship if the expense is otherwise deductible under Sec. 165 and is not covered by insurance. Agree. Please note that the "otherwise deductible" is without regard to the 10% limitation.
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