Gilmore Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 An existing, 3% safe harbor nonelective 401k plan, calendar year, uses a One Year Wait for eligibility. The plan sponsor would like to amend the plan today, 12/1/2017, to permit anyone hired as of 12/1/2017 immediate eligibility. This would bring in 2 HCEs and 6 NHCEs. It seems that expanding the eligible ees is allowed mid year, but the timing seems aggressive, since the new entrants have only one month to defer? Thanks.
stephen Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 FWIW: It's aggressive but allowed. Based on the information provided 25% of the affected participants are HCEs so it doesn't seem to discriminate in favor of HCEs. That said, I agree a month isn't long for NHCEs to defer but they can benefit. I'll check in to see what others have to say on the matter.
Tom Poje Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 personally I think it smells. especially if the HCEs can put away the max. in effect, just looking at only the 6 people coming in, you have a 1 month plan year, which of course is forbidden for safe harbor. the exact reason safe harbors are supposed to be at least 3 months long to prevent HCEs from putting away a lot in a short period of time. this situation appears to be different than if the plan always had monthly entry dates. especially given the fact 25% of the new people are HCEs but then, remember I am a Grinch. DMcGovern 1
Belgarath Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Yes, but you have the strength of 10 Grinches, plus 2.
Kevin C Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Notice 2016-16, III D 2 says that the prohibition on a mid year amendment that reduces the number of employees eligible for the safe harbor does not apply to amendments that make otherwise permissible changes to age/service or entry date for employees not yet eligible. If you can amend to keep someone out, I don't see why you can't amend to include additional employees. Discriminatory timing [1.401(a)(4)-5(a)] of the amendment could be an issue, but doesn't sound like it based on your description. But, with these employees not having a year of service in time to enter the plan in 2017 under current provisions, are they really HCEs for 2017?
Gilmore Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 The 2 new HCEs are the spouses of the owners. It is not anticipated that they will be benefitting.
DMcGovern Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 My nose seems to agree with Tom. There's such a limited amount of time to notify participants, and allow them to make an informed decision on a change to their deferral election. Doesn't seem to follow the "reasonable" time the regs require.
Bill Presson Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 46 minutes ago, Gilmore said: The 2 new HCEs are the spouses of the owners. It is not anticipated that they will be benefitting. Then why the amendment now? Why not make it effective 1/1/18? William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Gilmore Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 The idea was to have two additional, non-benefitting HCEs. My initial reaction was closer to Tom and D, although I appreciate the varied opinions.
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