J Simmons Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 100% owner of an LLC business that has a 401k plan also has two household services employees (W-2). Do the two household employees count as employees under the control group rules, or is there an exception where their employment is not in the pursuit of a profit? John Simmons johnsimmonslaw@gmail.com Note to Readers: For you, I'm a stranger posting on a bulletin board. Posts here should not be given the same weight as personalized advice from a professional who knows or can learn all the facts of your situation.
jpod Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 My recollection is this, although I am suggesting it only as a basis for further research because that's what I would have to do if this issue was on my plate: Even though the LLC is (probably) a "disregarded entity" for Internal Revenue Code purposes, the employees need to be employees in a trade or business to be counted under the 414(c) rules, so these employees would not have to be counted.
Peter Gulia Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 In 2001, Congress recognized that an employer’s contribution to a retirement plan for a household employee is non-deductible if the contribution is not made for a trade or business. See Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C.) § 4972(c)(6)(B). https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2017-title26/html/USCODE-2017-title26-subtitleD-chap43-sec4972.htm IRC § 414(c) refers to “employees of trades or businesses (whether or not incorporated) which are under common control[.]” If the household employees do no work for a trade or business, there might be no second business to be treated as under common control with the LLC business. C. B. Zeller 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
J Simmons Posted August 13, 2019 Author Posted August 13, 2019 Thank you John Simmons johnsimmonslaw@gmail.com Note to Readers: For you, I'm a stranger posting on a bulletin board. Posts here should not be given the same weight as personalized advice from a professional who knows or can learn all the facts of your situation.
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