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Let's look forward to 2020. Suppose corporation X and Corporation Y are a controlled group, each owned 100% by Winnie the Pooh. Corporation A is the Plan sponsor, and Corporation B is signed on as a Participating Employer.

Winnie decides to sell Corporation A to Tigger on 6/30/2020. Tigger has no interest in maintaining a plan, because he's bouncy and fun, and 401(k)'s are not. So Corporation A's plan will be terminated effective 6/30/2020.

Winnie, however, wants to maintain the Corporation B plan (it invests primarily in honey pots, which Winnie deems Socially Responsible Investing), so will spinoff the Corporation B portion of the Plan.

Because this is a 401(b)(6)(C) transaction, the Corporation A Plan should qualify as a Safe Harbor Plan through 6/30/2020, the termination date. Corporation B adopts a new plan document with identical provisions for the initial short Plan Year of 7/1/2020 to 12/31/2020, and the Spinoff assets are transferred to the new Plan - for the Corporation B employees, this is not a distributable event, and 100% vesting is not required. This Plan should also qualify as a Safe Harbor for the 2020 short Plan Year.

Am I missing anything here? Whenever something seems relatively straightforward in these situations, it makes me nervous.

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving holiday - drive carefully, and hopefully the weather won't interfere with your travel plans!!

P.S. - just for the heck of it, suppose this transaction takes place on, say, 11/30/2020 - can corporation B still have a Safe Harbor plan for the 1-month plan year? I'd argue that they can, since the spinoff plan, although a "new" plan document, is considered to be a continuation of the prior plan. Since the provisions will be identical, seems reasonable. But on this subject, what about the 5500 forms - do you show it as a "new" plan 001? I lean toward that, as otherwise, seems like it will confuse the DOL system if you don't show it as a new plan. Also, would you set up your new document as a "new" plan, or an amendment/restatement of the existing plan? I lean toward amendment/restatement, even though for 5500 forms, I lean toward "new" plan.

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How about amending the plan to name B as the sponsor, and then terminating A's participation? 

Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance.

Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

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C.B. Zeller's suggestion seems right to me (in addition to being very clever). I think it also demonstrates why, if you did things the way you suggested in your OP, Belgarath, B's "new" plan should be a treated as a successor.

Luke Bailey

Senior Counsel

Clark Hill PLC

214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com

2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600

Frisco, TX 75034

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11 hours ago, C. B. Zeller said:

How about amending the plan to name B as the sponsor, and then terminating A's participation? 

Exactly what I would do. Good thing you asked, because your solution is certainly overkill; it is a simple solution.  Interesting that you said:  "Whenever something seems relatively straightforward in these situations, it makes me nervous".  Just a reminder: NOTHING in our business is every straightforward! ?

Happy T-day to everyone.

 

 

Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC
President
Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
46 Daggett Drive
West Springfield, MA 01089
413-736-2066
larrystarr@qpc-inc.com

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