Belgarath Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Let's look forward to 2020. Suppose corporation X and Corporation Y are a controlled group, each owned 100% by Winnie the Pooh. Corporation A is the Plan sponsor, and Corporation B is signed on as a Participating Employer. Winnie decides to sell Corporation A to Tigger on 6/30/2020. Tigger has no interest in maintaining a plan, because he's bouncy and fun, and 401(k)'s are not. So Corporation A's plan will be terminated effective 6/30/2020. Winnie, however, wants to maintain the Corporation B plan (it invests primarily in honey pots, which Winnie deems Socially Responsible Investing), so will spinoff the Corporation B portion of the Plan. Because this is a 401(b)(6)(C) transaction, the Corporation A Plan should qualify as a Safe Harbor Plan through 6/30/2020, the termination date. Corporation B adopts a new plan document with identical provisions for the initial short Plan Year of 7/1/2020 to 12/31/2020, and the Spinoff assets are transferred to the new Plan - for the Corporation B employees, this is not a distributable event, and 100% vesting is not required. This Plan should also qualify as a Safe Harbor for the 2020 short Plan Year. Am I missing anything here? Whenever something seems relatively straightforward in these situations, it makes me nervous. Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving holiday - drive carefully, and hopefully the weather won't interfere with your travel plans!! P.S. - just for the heck of it, suppose this transaction takes place on, say, 11/30/2020 - can corporation B still have a Safe Harbor plan for the 1-month plan year? I'd argue that they can, since the spinoff plan, although a "new" plan document, is considered to be a continuation of the prior plan. Since the provisions will be identical, seems reasonable. But on this subject, what about the 5500 forms - do you show it as a "new" plan 001? I lean toward that, as otherwise, seems like it will confuse the DOL system if you don't show it as a new plan. Also, would you set up your new document as a "new" plan, or an amendment/restatement of the existing plan? I lean toward amendment/restatement, even though for 5500 forms, I lean toward "new" plan.
C. B. Zeller Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 How about amending the plan to name B as the sponsor, and then terminating A's participation? Luke Bailey 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Luke Bailey Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 C.B. Zeller's suggestion seems right to me (in addition to being very clever). I think it also demonstrates why, if you did things the way you suggested in your OP, Belgarath, B's "new" plan should be a treated as a successor. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Larry Starr Posted November 28, 2019 Posted November 28, 2019 11 hours ago, C. B. Zeller said: How about amending the plan to name B as the sponsor, and then terminating A's participation? Exactly what I would do. Good thing you asked, because your solution is certainly overkill; it is a simple solution. Interesting that you said: "Whenever something seems relatively straightforward in these situations, it makes me nervous". Just a reminder: NOTHING in our business is every straightforward! ? Happy T-day to everyone. Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
Belgarath Posted December 2, 2019 Author Posted December 2, 2019 P.S. - I assume the responsibility for terminating the A portion plan is part of the sale and purchase negotiation between Winnie and Tigger?
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