susieQ Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Many cities have issued "shelter-in-place" orders for citizens, closing businesses that are not considered essential. We are having a hard time determining if our TPA firm meets the Homeland Security definition of essential. We are purely administration, we are not a CPA firm, do not sell product. Thoughts? Thank you
Belgarath Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 I think it is a gray area. For many TPA's/Plans, the TPA must be involved in approving loan/distribution paperwork for participants to get access to funds. I'd argue that this is indeed essential. But "Officials" (or officious people who like to give orders) may not necessarily agree. It might also depend on the specific definition for a given locality.
susieQ Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Yes, processing transactions is one of our duties and what I think most qualifies a TPA as essential. Thank you.
spiritrider Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 To amplify @Belgarath Homeland Security has issued guidance not mandates on "essential bussinesses". I quote: "This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions. Individual jurisdictions should add or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and discretion." susieQ and Luke Bailey 2
Peter Gulia Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Perhaps it’s feasible to do something sensible without needing to answer a question of law about what qualifies under a particular State’s or city’s order. Even when one qualifies to allow regular operations at a place of business, many recordkeepers and third-party administrators tell people to work from home. The key exceptions I’ve heard about are sending in: a technician to make sure computer servers, firewalls, and virtual private networks function; someone to retrieve postal mail that wasn’t rerouted, and scan the items that require immediate action. susieQ 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
ratherbereading Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Our TPA is open although most are able to work from home. We do distributions, etc. so we are considered essential. 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
pmacduff Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 FWIW - our State actually has a method online whereby you could submit for a determination/designation of whether or not your particular business was essential (on the State website). Another local TPA did submit a request for determination, which they shared with us. In the response (which came rather quickly I might add) they were advised that they were considered essential based on the information provided in the application. There were some caveats that" only those employees necessary to perform the essential functions should be permitted to be present and provided they follow all other guidelines of the Executive Order". susieQ 1
A Shot in the Dark Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Our state has deemed Human Resources and professional entities that provides HR services as essential. As a TPA firm, we believe we do provide HR services and thus have elected to remain open. Some of our staff have elected to work from home. Some of our staff have elected to work from the office. susieQ 1
RatherBeGolfing Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 TPA is just one of our departments, but we have 150+ that have gone 100% remote with each office location having a few designated people who rotate mail pickup. If you can go remote, you should. Our clients are used to face to face meetings but considering the mess around us, everyone accepts it as the new normal (at least for a while).
leevena Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 We are in the health benefits space, and 100% of our staff is working from home.
ESOP Guy Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 I know now isn't the best time to invent how to get your systems to work while people work from home. But maybe this should be the event that moves your firm to doing that. Most of the TPA firm I work for works from home 100% of the time. I have worked from home since I took my current job back in May of 2012. You couldn't get me to work for a TPA that doesn't allow me to work from home and/or pays me enough I can live in the same town I work in. And even if I live in the same town I worked in I would still want to work from home some. I will never go back to a 30 min commute again unless I am desperate for a job. That was my longest commute and it lasted for 16 years and once I stopped doing it I came to realize how much I disliked it. Most TPA work can be done remotely in my mind. I would add since I started this job and I was the only person in this region we have gained over 8 new clients. I am not in business development and I didn't do most of the work to get the clients. But my presents and speaking at local conferences has gotten the firm I work for a lot more exposure and looks from local ESOP companies. So it has been good for my bottom line and the firm I work for bottom line. ESOPMomma and susieQ 2
RatherBeGolfing Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, ESOP Guy said: I will never go back to a 30 min commute And 30 minutes is what many would consider a great commute... Bill Presson and Carike 2
Larry Starr Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 6 hours ago, susieQ said: Many cities have issued "shelter-in-place" orders for citizens, closing businesses that are not considered essential. We are having a hard time determining if our TPA firm meets the Homeland Security definition of essential. We are purely administration, we are not a CPA firm, do not sell product. Thoughts? Thank you *I* determined that we meet the financial operations of the MA advisory list, so that's all we need. If accounting firms are specifically listed, I don't see how we could not fit the same bill. susieQ and Luke Bailey 2 Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
ratherbereading Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 15 hours ago, ESOP Guy said: I know now isn't the best time to invent how to get your systems to work while people work from home. But maybe this should be the event that moves your firm to doing that. Most of the TPA firm I work for works from home 100% of the time. I have worked from home since I took my current job back in May of 2012. You couldn't get me to work for a TPA that doesn't allow me to work from home and/or pays me enough I can live in the same town I work in. And even if I live in the same town I worked in I would still want to work from home some. I will never go back to a 30 min commute again unless I am desperate for a job. That was my longest commute and it lasted for 16 years and once I stopped doing it I came to realize how much I disliked it. Most TPA work can be done remotely in my mind. I would add since I started this job and I was the only person in this region we have gained over 8 new clients. I am not in business development and I didn't do most of the work to get the clients. But my presents and speaking at local conferences has gotten the firm I work for a lot more exposure and looks from local ESOP companies. So it has been good for my bottom line and the firm I work for bottom line. I'm with you on that! I love working from home. I haven't put gas in my car since Feb. 2nd! I kind of wish I had to since gas is so low right now... 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
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