Peter Gulia Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Some plan sponsors would prefer to adopt, once, a provision that allows whatever loans and distributions can be provided without tax-disqualifying the plan. Some would like such a provision to include what becomes allowed under future Acts of Congress. If a sponsor of a prototype or volume-submitter document presented such a provision, would the IRS approve? If a sponsor of a new individually-designed plan presented such a provision, would the IRS approve? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
C. B. Zeller Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 I doubt this would be acceptable. It probably fails to be a definite written document. If this were acceptable, why limit it to disaster distributions? Could a plan document include language which says that all future required amendments are automatically incorporated into this document? Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
david rigby Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 IMHO, I would never recommend a sponsor adopt such provisions; too many unknowns. "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr hr for me 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Larry Starr Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 55 minutes ago, david rigby said: IMHO, I would never recommend a sponsor adopt such provisions; too many unknowns. "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr 100% agreed; this is just a bad idea with traps galore just waiting out there..... Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
CuseFan Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 I think pre-approved plans (at least FT William) have built these is already. The FTW one is written such that an employer may grant such relief, presumably by a resolution to "activate" the provision. So there is still a decision and paperwork required but not necessarily an amendment. I'm not expressing an opinion as to whether this is or is not the best way to handle, just communicating how it had been explained to me and how I understand it. The issue is that COVID-19 is considered a national (health) emergency rather than a natural disaster and so had to be specifically legislated (CARES Act) for relief. Luke Bailey 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Peter Gulia Posted May 11, 2020 Author Posted May 11, 2020 Thank you for your observations about the wisdom of stating such a provision. My question is much narrower: Would the IRS recognize that a provision of the kind described does not cause a document to fail to state a tax-qualified plan? I see C.B. Zeller’s point about “definitely determinable”. 26 C.F.R. § 1.401-1(a) calls for “a definite written program” and “a definite formula . . . for distributing the funds accumulated under the plan[.]” 26 C.F.R. § 1.401(a)-1(b) calls for a plan’s benefit to be “definitely determinable[.]” Here’s what should matter about definiteness: When the plan’s administrator must decide whether to approve a claim, will the administrator—by reading the governing document and any text the governing document properly refers to—have enough information to decide whether the plan provides what the claim asks for? (And what should matter for an IRS review would be: Can the document, including the referred-to text, result in a disqualifying provision?) But I’ll answer my own question. For advance written determinations on whether a document states a tax-qualified plan, the IRS does not recognize incorporation by reference except as permitted by a statute, rule, other authority, or the IRS’s administrative grace. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Luke Bailey Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Peter, I think if the type of declaration is stated with adequate specificity (e.g., "federally declared natural disaster," "national healthcare emergency"), you would not have a problem with definitely determinable. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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