BG5150 Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 Can a plan's forfeiture account be used to fund QNECs due from late deposit of deferrals and the attendant earnings? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
AMDG Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 Check the plan document. It's typically specific regarding the allowable uses of forfeitures.
C. B. Zeller Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, BG5150 said: QNECs due from late deposit of deferrals and the attendant earnings? What correction method are you referring to? Late deposits are usually just corrected by making the deposit with lost earnings. It is not a QNEC. EPCRS does provide for corrections with QNECS for improper exclusion from a 401(k) plan, or failure to implement a deferral election. Regardless, if the plan adopted the changes made by the 2018 amendments to the regulations, then forfeitures can be used to fund QNECs. See https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/issue-snapshot-plan-forfeitures-used-for-qualified-nonelective-and-qualified-matching-contributions Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
ratherbereading Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 I believe the IRS released final regs that employers can use forfeitures to fund QNECs and QMACs as well as SH contributions. Our documents allow for all that. 4 out of 3 people struggle with math
BG5150 Posted July 15, 2021 Author Posted July 15, 2021 The deposits were made, just not the earnings yet. Recordkeeper says it has permission from its legal team to use the forf account to fund the earnings. Where are the regs that talk about interest on late deposits? I don't see anything in EPCRS about it. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
C. B. Zeller Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 It's in VFCP. The plan document probably also has some language about timing of deposits, so you can rely on the general principles of EPCRS to put the plan back in the same situation it would have been had the failure not occurred. Forfeitures can be used to reduce contributions, or allocated as an additional contribution. However lost earnings are not a contribution. I say you can't use forfeitures to fund lost earnings. CarolC 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
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