BG5150 Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 Company missed a deferral opportunity for one employee. Failure to implement an employee election. No doubt here. Correction is 50% QNEC. I get that. But to make up the match, it's: Quote "(c) Missed opportunity affecting matching contributions. In the event of failure...if the employee would have been entitled to an additional matching contribution had either the missed deferral or after-tax employee contribution been made, then the Plan Sponsor must make a corrective employer nonelective contribution for the matching contribution on behalf of the affected employee, or a corrective QNEC in the case of a August 2, 2021 230 Bulletin No. 2021–31 safe harbor plan under § 401(k)(12)." What does "nonelective contribution for the matching contribution" mean? Is it a convoluted way of saying it has to just be a match? If not, what kind of nonelective contribution? This is NOT a safe harbor plan, so it won't be a QNEC. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
C. B. Zeller Posted November 22, 2021 Posted November 22, 2021 I think they can't technically call it a match, because there weren't actually any deferrals. So calculate what the match would have been, and make that as a nonelective contribution. J. Bringhurst and Luke Bailey 2 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Belgarath Posted July 27, 2023 Posted July 27, 2023 How 'bout vesting on this? Say the employer matching contributions (not a safe harbor plan) have 6 year vesting. Say the participant subsequently terminates at 60% vesting for matching contributions. Is the "nonelective" contribuition subject to the matching contribution vesting provisions? Or is it automatically 100% vested like a QNEC, even though it isn't a QNEC? The "nonelective" contribution would just be deposited to the match account? I'd apply the vesting schedule, but maybe I'm all wet.
RatherBeGolfing Posted July 27, 2023 Posted July 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, Belgarath said: How 'bout vesting on this? Say the employer matching contributions (not a safe harbor plan) have 6 year vesting. Say the participant subsequently terminates at 60% vesting for matching contributions. Is the "nonelective" contribuition subject to the matching contribution vesting provisions? Or is it automatically 100% vested like a QNEC, even though it isn't a QNEC? The "nonelective" contribution would just be deposited to the match account? I'd apply the vesting schedule, but maybe I'm all wet. I'm trying to confirm the same thing, and I don't see a problem with applying the vesting schedule. If the nonelective was meant to be 100% vested, there would be no need to distinguish between nonelective and QNEC in the Rev Proc. Anyone disagree? Luke Bailey 1
Belgarath Posted July 27, 2023 Posted July 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, RatherBeGolfing said: If the nonelective was meant to be 100% vested, there would be no need to distinguish between nonelective and QNEC in the Rev Proc. Thanks. That's precisely where I'm coming from. Plus, FWIW, I seem to recall, at some time way in the past in one of EPCRS iterations, that there was a specific reference to a change in the provisions where it wouldn't be a QNEC and vesting provisions could apply, but I think it was way back in RP 2013-12 or something like that. I'm too lazy to look back over all the changes - but to me, it seems supremely logical that a non-safe harbor match correction like this should be able to apply the vesting schedule. So no, no disagreement from me! (That must mean I'm not a disagreeable person, in spite of what my wife might say...) Maybe I'll take a look back at it after all to see if my memory is completely off base. I'll post if I find anything. Hah - look what I just found - from RP 2013-12 Revising Appendix A, section .05, and related examples in Appendix B to provide that, in some cases, a matching contribution owed to a participant may be made in the form of a corrective employer matching contribution, instead of a QNEC, so that the corrective employer matching contribution would be subject to the vesting schedule under the plan that applies to employer matching contributions
ErisaGooroo Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 It means that the missed match is funded as a non-elective contribution and may be subject to vesting or may be contributed as a Q-NEC. The "missed match" shouldn't be sourced as a match, it should be sourced as a non-elective contribution. This is the reason the ACP test doesn't need to be redone after a missed match is corrected. Luke Bailey 1 It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice... CPFA, CPC, QPA, QKA, ERPA, APA
QNick Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM In a case where this applies to an HCE, since the Missed Match Contribution is not subject to ACP testing, it would need to be tested for non-discrimination under section 401(a)? My apologies in advance if the answer to my question was obvious.
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