rblum50 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I have a long time client that has both a 401(k) Plan and a Cash Balance Plan. These plans have been in place for quite a while and each has 1 -2 million in assets. Here's the problem, the defined benefit plan's assets consisted of all CD's. As they all became due during 2025, the proceeds from the CD's were mistakenly transferred to the 401(k) plan leaving the DB plan with zero assets. I don't see any good solution for this problem. If I was pressed, I would suggest transferring the assets back into the DB plan with an estimated income adjustment. Using this approach, how much risk would there be if the plan would be audited in the future? Could the risk potentially be as great as a disqualification of both plans?
CuseFan Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Agree with your suggested solution but also strongly suggest some formal legal guidance which could also ascertain risk. I would not "cheap out" given the size of the assets. Other key thoughts: who made the mistake, when did it occur, when was it discovered, and how soon thereafter was it corrected? Was this one big errant transfer or a series of errant transfers? Were they caused by honest clerical errors or was someone asleep at the wheel not paying attention. Was this the plan sponsor's doing or a third party? Documenting all that and fixing ASAP at a minimum is what I would suggest - put the plans where they'd be had the mistake(s) not occurred. Maybe a VFCP filing would be appropriate. My only formal advice here - get qualified legal guidance. Peter Gulia, RatherBeGolfing and Paul I 2 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Peter Gulia Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Consider also that only communications with one’s lawyer for the purpose of getting the lawyer’s legal advice can get that evidence-law privilege. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Bill Presson Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Any way to amend the trust so that a single trust holds both plans assets rather than moving dollars? I would have legal counsel opine because I don’t know that it can be done after the fact. But we do know it can exist. Peter Gulia 1 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
david rigby Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Although not recently, we used to see mistakes where Plan A contribution was mistakenly deposited into Plan B. The solution was simple: just transfer it to the correct location/trust. If you need an adjustment for earnings, make a reasonable estimate and do it. But do it immediately, and document it completely. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Bri Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago This really should be addressed in future EPCRS because it's more common (plans' assets getting mixed up between them) than half the stuff they worry about in the Rev Proc as it is! Peter Gulia 1
Peter Gulia Posted 20 minutes ago Posted 20 minutes ago And, beyond tax-law corrections, an eligible correction under Labor/EBSA’s Voluntary Fiduciary Correction Program (because the Treasury/IRS lacks authority regarding ERISA title I fiduciary breaches). Expenses for a correction should be the personal responsibility of the breaching fiduciaries. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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