Basically Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 A client closed down her single member plan and it's final liquidation occurred on 11/23. The balance is $0. My next step is to prepare a final form 5500-EZ. Do I use the 2020 EZ? and change the year end to be 11/23/2021? Just want to do it correctly, cross the T's and dot the I's Thanks
BG5150 Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 I'd just do it on December 1. Make PYE 11/30/21. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Basically Posted November 30, 2021 Author Posted November 30, 2021 So what I am gathering is that to do it right I would prepare a form 5500-EZ now using a 2020 form, make the PYE say 11/24 and file it. Sound right?
Bill Presson Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 Don't have a chance to look this up, but I think the 5500 deadline is 7 months from the end of the month in which the assets are distributed. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Peter Gulia Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 The Form 5500-EZ Instructions support what Bill Presson says: “For a short plan year, file a return by the last day of the 7th month following the end of the short plan year. Modify the heading of the form to show the beginning and ending dates of your short plan year and check box A(4) for a short plan year. If this is also the first or final return filed for the plan, check the appropriate box (box A(1) or A(3)).” https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i5500ez.pdf But for an information return one may choose to file by mailing paper, is there anything that precludes an employer/administrator from filing soon after the plan year ended? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
BG5150 Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 Peter, I don't think there's anything that says they couldn't file on 11/24. I just like round numbers. And just like that, tomorrow is December 1. And tot he OP, you do file on a 2020 form but just update the plan year. Talk to your software vendor on how to do that. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Peter Gulia Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Yup, we concur. I've done a Form 5500 report as quickly as the morning after the transaction that made the plan's assets zero. Bill Presson 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Basically Posted December 2, 2021 Author Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 4:31 PM, BG5150 said: And to the OP, you do file on a 2020 form but just update the plan year. Talk to your software vendor on how to do that. Thanks! I am of the mind to file it now before it slips through the cracks. Just for my own knowledge, I would use a 2020 form because the plan would be a short year ending before December 31, 2021?
C. B. Zeller Posted December 2, 2021 Posted December 2, 2021 You would use the 2020 form because the 2021 form is not available yet. If you wait a month or so, the 2021 5500-EZ will probably be available and then you would need to use that. Speaking of the 2021 5500-EZ, I seem to remember that the IRS actually did publish it a couple of months ago, but it seems to have disappeared from the internet. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Jakyasar Posted December 2, 2021 Posted December 2, 2021 You can and must use 2021 forms if passed 12/31/2020 deadline to file. If the rule changed, do not know but it has been for a long time.
Basically Posted December 3, 2021 Author Posted December 3, 2021 21 hours ago, Jakyasar said: You can and must use 2021 forms if passed 12/31/2020 deadline to file Ohh.. ok. The plan has been liquidated, the 1 employee has been paid out so I will file now. Just to recap: If I file before 12/31/2021 I use the 2020 form 5500-EZ If I file in 2022 I would use the 2021 form 5500-EZ The year end on the form regardless of the form's year would be the day the plan was 100% liquidated, 11/24/2021 (I wouldn't put the year end 12/31/2021) Thanks to all for chiming in. My goal is to understand the proper/correct way to complete what I am sure to many are things that are ingrained. I'm a firm believer that it can't hurt to ask.
BG5150 Posted December 3, 2021 Posted December 3, 2021 I don't think the last day of the plan year matters much if it's w/in a couple days. I always just use the end of the month that the last withdrawals happened. Again, I like the round numbers. Bill Presson 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Basically Posted December 3, 2021 Author Posted December 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, BG5150 said: Again, I like the round numbers. 👍 Got cha'
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