HarleyBabe Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 One of my clients is adding Union employees to the company. It will take them over the 120 count. Was wondering is there a way to set a separate plan to avoid this. Although the same owner will own the company although he doesn't participate, still a controlled group because of it, so I'm thinking no but am I missing a way to avoid this? BTW it's a plain vanilla 401(k) plan.
Bri Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 One plan for union employees, another for non-union employees? That's commonly done. Nate S and acm_acm 2
Peter Gulia Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 Not only to keep each plan’s count of participants small but also for many business and plan-administration reasons, an employer might prefer to establish and maintain two or more distinct plans. One kind of distinction is between [PIN 002] “employees who are included in a unit of employees covered by . . . a collective bargaining agreement . . . , if there is evidence that retirement benefits were the subject of good faith bargaining[.]” and [PIN 001] employees not represented by any labor union. See Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C) § 410(b)(3)(A) http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26%20section:410%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section410)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true acm_acm 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Bill Presson Posted April 8, 2022 Posted April 8, 2022 22 hours ago, HarleyBabe said: Although the same owner will own the company although he doesn't participate, still a controlled group because of it As others said, it's quite common to have 2 plans in this situation. Employees covered under a collective bargaining agreement aren't required to be included in the testing of your original plan. Still, the sentence above confused me. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
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