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Based on the language of SECURE 2.0, it appears that new distributions for those terminally ill can only be made when the person is otherwise eligible for a distribution. But other new distributions (e.g., emergencies and domestic abuse) create new distributable events. In either case, however, allowing any of these new distributions is optional.

Do you all agree, or do you read the law differently?

 

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Agreed, this section does not create a new distributable event, it only creates a new exemption from the 10% excise tax.

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Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
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Thanks. To clarify, you mean the terminal illness distribution only -- not the others? 

Also, what good is this if elective deferrals (and, in most plans, employer contributions) can't come out before 59 1/2 anyhow w/o hardship? (Doesn't seem they're adding this to the hardship withdrawal safe harbor.)

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Yes, I was only talking about the terminal illness distributions. Qualified disaster recovery distributions, emergency expense distributions, and domestic abuse distributions (did I miss any?) are all clearly new distributable events.

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Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
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This is extremely valuable. Thanks so much!! 

So, the exception to the 10% penalty for terminal illness would really only apply to those who terminate employment before 59 1/2.

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On 1/28/2023 at 4:11 PM, Ian said:

This is extremely valuable. Thanks so much!! 

So, the exception to the 10% penalty for terminal illness would really only apply to those who terminate employment before 59 1/2.

 

The exception to the 10% penalty for terminal illness would really only apply to those who terminate employment before 55, right?

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17 hours ago, AMDG said:

 

 

The exception to the 10% penalty for terminal illness would really only apply to those who terminate employment before 55, right?

 

Agree

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Thanks. I added a note:

Widenings of which former employees might get this exception apply for a distribution after December 29, 2022. Providing this exception not only for age 50 but also for 25 years of service applies for a distribution after December 29, 2022.

I didn’t edit the reference to § 72(t)(10), which refers to both its subparagraphs. Subparagraph (A) states the exception from the too-early tax. Subparagraph (B) states the specially defined term qualified public safety employee. That definition is “[f]or purposes of this paragraph,”—that is, § 72(t)(10).

Yet, I see some awkwardness: Section 72(t)(10)(A) provides the exception from the too-early tax “to an employee who provides firefighting services” even if she was neither “any employee of a State or political subdivision of a State” within the meaning of § 72(t)(10)(B)(i) nor someone described in § 72(t)(10)(B)(ii).

That paragraph (10)’s heading now mentions “private sector firefighters” suggests Congress might have intended to provide this exception from the too-early tax not only to those who received the distribution from a governmental plan but also “to an employee who provides firefighting services[.]”

Distributions added or changed by SECURE 2019 and 2022.pdf

Peter Gulia PC

Fiduciary Guidance Counsel

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

215-732-1552

Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com

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