Vlad401k Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Let's say an employee turns age 55 in 2025. The plan is terminated in 2025, but the employee is still working for the company. If he chooses to take a direct distribution, would he get age 55 exception from the 10% penalty? Thanks.
Popular Post Peter Gulia Posted April 2 Popular Post Posted April 2 The § 72(t)(2)(A)(v) exception from a too-early tax applies to a distribution “made to [the participant] after separation from service after attainment of age 55[.]” http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26 section:72 edition:prelim) OR (granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section72)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true The IRS recognizes a practical tolerance about the age-55 condition: “A distribution to [a participant] from a qualified plan will be treated as within section 72(t)(2)(A)(v) if (i) it is made after the [participant] has separated from service for the employer maintaining the plan and (ii) such separation from service occurred during or after the calendar year in which the employee attained age 55.” IRS, Employee Plans-Miscellaneous Tax Reform Changes, Notice 1987-13, 1987-1 C.B. 432, at § D, Q&A-20. But the tolerance about the age-55 condition does not change the separation-from-service condition. This is not advice to anyone. R Griffith, CuseFan, Lou S. and 2 others 5 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Vlad401k Posted April 22 Author Posted April 22 Thank you! Another quick follow up question... let's say we know that the business at which the participant works will close down in 2025, so the participant will no longer be employed in 2025. Since the termination will take place in 2025, could Code 2 be used for this distribution? Or is it better to use Code 1 at time of Distribution? Thanks.
Peter Gulia Posted April 22 Posted April 22 Will the payer tax-report the distribution soon after it is paid? Or will the payer wait to tax-report until after the calendar year has ended? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Vlad401k Posted April 22 Author Posted April 22 Peter, We categorize the code at time of distribution. Thanks,
Peter Gulia Posted April 22 Posted April 22 A Form 1099-R tax-information report should be true when the reporter signs or otherwise adopts the report. One might be reluctant to code a report assuming a fact that has not yet happened. Bri 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
david rigby Posted April 22 Posted April 22 6 hours ago, Peter Gulia said: One might be reluctant to code a report assuming a fact that has not yet happened. One might. But I seek to understand the issue better: suppose the distribution is on 10/1/25, and the plan sponsor shuts its doors on 10/02/25. Does this make any difference? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
C. B. Zeller Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Even if the plan issues a 1099-R reporting no known exceptions, the individual can still show that they are exempt from the penalty on Form 5329, filed with their income tax return. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
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