Micks Posted yesterday at 10:06 PM Posted yesterday at 10:06 PM We are reviewing documentation for a defined benefit plan termination, and the plan administrator/TPA has taken the position that a signed board resolution establishing the plan termination date can serve in place of a formal plan termination amendment. In our experience, a written plan amendment executed in accordance with the plan document is typically required as part of the termination process. Has anyone seen guidance or practical examples where a board resolution alone is considered sufficient, or is a formal plan amendment still required for compliance (e.g., for purposes of IRS/DOL expectations and audit support)? Any insights or references would be appreciated.
C. B. Zeller Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago I haven’t seen it personally but I’ve heard from attorneys on occasion that it can be justifiable. Were all other necessary actions taken that would normally be required for a plan termination? For example, was the plan amended to be up-to-date with changes in law and regulations, and were 204(h) notices and NOITs distributed? If all of that is clean then I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
david rigby Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, Micks said: We are reviewing documentation ... The answer might depend on who is "We". If you are the plan/plan sponsor attorney, then the PA can express an opinion but ultimately should defer to legal advice. That sounds like a great summary: the attorney gets to decide. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Bill Presson Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Can it set the termination date? Possibly according to some. Can it replace the amendment to bring the plan up to date with all the laws/regs? I don’t see how. But get counsel involved. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Peter Gulia Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Beyond others’ observations: Many recordkeepers and TPAs warn that the service provider does not give tax or other legal advice, or at least warn that a service recipient should not rely on the provider’s advice. While many people look on the warnings as boilerplate one ignores, when things go wrong courts have held that a not-advice warning negates a claim that incorrect or incomplete advice was a breach of contract or negligence. This is not advice to anyone. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
CuseFan Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago We have had many plan terminations over the decades and a number of them in recent years and nearly every one was with only a resolution and without a formal amendment saying "the plan is terminated effective X" - and many of these were submitted to IRS and received d-letters. Yes, there is an amendment for compliance and any design changes related to the termination, and all the other compliance (PBGC especially and IRS) items that are part of the process. Regardless, whether resolution with or without a formal "the plan is terminated" amendment, unless you properly complete the process within your required time constraints, your plan is not terminated. Personally, I do not think a plan termination is a plan provision, it is an event/transaction/process, and a resolution by the employer stating their intent to engage in such has been sufficient during my 40+ years in the industry. That said, I do not begrudge any one wanting a formal amendment to state the plan is terminated and have accommodated when requested, I have not found such to be necessary. M Gerald and Peter Gulia 1 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Peter Gulia Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago I too have seen a range of different ways to document a plan's discontinuance, termination, and final distribution. But the key is for a decision-maker to get advice from an adviser responsible to the decision-maker. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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