BG5150 Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 Plan allows for rollovers in for employees expected to become a participant but who haven't met the requirements yet. Are these people "Participants" when it comes to the availability of a Participant loan? Definition of a participant is: Quote Any current Employee who met the applicable eligibility requirements and reached his or her Entry Date and, where the context so requires, pursuant to the terms of the Plan, any living former Employee on whose behalf an Account is maintained or former Employee who has met the eligibility requirements. To me, neither of this conditions have been met. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Madison71 Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 I agree as well and I recently came across this issue - EOB I believe. As an aside, I was counting them as a participant on the 5500 because they had an account balance. I think I wasn’t counting them as an active participant though...Not sure if that was correct
BG5150 Posted May 18, 2018 Author Posted May 18, 2018 Do you remember where in the EOB? Which topic? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Madison71 Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 Can’t recall - I do see in Rev Rul 96-48 it talks about employees as eligible to make pre-participation rollovers are referred to as limited participants for purpose of the rollover only.
justanotheradmin Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 I would read the plan document - ours says that they are a participant for purposes of their rollover account only, and specifically addresses loans from rollover accounts for limited participants. Our doc allows them (assuming the plan allows loans) unless a limitation on such has been written into the adoption agreement (there is a specific spot available to do so). Eve Sav 1 I'm a stranger on the internet. Nothing I write is tax or legal advice. I'd like a witty saying here, but I don't have any. When in doubt, what does the plan document say?
Madison71 Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 Read the plan document?? Man - who wants to do that??
JackS Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 This language is in the Corbel Document 7.6 LOANS TO PARTICIPANTS ....For purposes of this Section, the term Participant shall include any Eligible Employee who is not yet a Participant, if, pursuant to the Adoption Agreement, "rollovers" are permitted to be accepted from Eligible Employees. I think in absence of specific plan language, the plan administrator could interpret it either way. You would probably want to clarify it in the plan loan policy. Bill Presson 1
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